Rob B Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Lakeside Hammers Andreas Jonsson ©, Kim Nilsson, Richard Lawson, Mikkel Bech, Edward Kennett, Adam Ellis (EDR) Steve Boxall (EDR) Belle Vue Aces Matej Zagar, Aaron Summers (G), Peter Karlsson (G), Stuart Robson (G) Scott Nicholls © Steve Worrall (EDR) Ben Morley (G) (EDR) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 The first home meeting for lakeside in three weeks and what do we have, yet another patched up EL team. Together with a dodgy weather forecast, it's gonna be hard to pull the punters in for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Some good guest's there but why oh why does EL persist with weekend racing. It's just not viable in the EL. EL needs to drop weekend matches all together. Edited May 28, 2015 by Phil The Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Some good guest's there but why oh why does EL persist with weekend racing. It's just not viable in the EL. EL needs to drop weekend matches all together. Why should the EL drop weekend racing instead of PL ? Why should the top league play second fiddle to the lower league ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Yet another meeting bolstered by guests and track specialists at that. Well, Ben should be! It'll be nice to see PK and Stuart again but is it Belle Vue? Who cares? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Why should the EL drop weekend racing instead of PL ? Why should the top league play second fiddle to the lower league ? It's quite obvious don't you think. The EL have more international riders. Eg, GPs, SEC, qualifiers etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Why should the EL drop weekend racing instead of PL ? Why should the top league play second fiddle to the lower league ? one of the thickest posts I have ever read on this forum.... Crikey, you're pretty special! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 I agree that weekend racing is difficult with all of the various international commitments but surely it is not beyond the wit of someone even reasonably intelligent to arrange a fixture list that avoids more PL fixture clashes and events like the world u21's. We know it is unavoidable for injuries but the BSPA have got to realise that the excessive use of guests for avoidable reasons is one of the major reasons the sport is in difficulties. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Thought Belle Vue were riding? Too many matches nowadays with teams full of guests, a complete joke, at least its saved my petrol money and other expenses, I certainly wont be making the effort to support less than half a team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Why should the EL drop weekend racing instead of PL ? Why should the top league play second fiddle to the lower league ? Except that there are no riders on international duty. The reason Belle Vue have half a team of guests is that they have riders piddling around in the PL . It the problem is the double uppers not the international riders. one of the thickest posts I have ever read on this forum.... Crikey, you're pretty special! Well come on then explain to me why PL fixtures should take precedence of EL fixtures. ? Matej Zagar and Andreas Jonsson are down to ride. The PL double uppers are missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Except that there are no riders on international duty. The reason Belle Vue have half a team of guests is that they have riders piddling around in the PL . It the problem is the double uppers not the international riders. Yes there are, Fricke & Nielsen are on their way to World U21 qualifiers, not PL meetings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Well come on then explain to me why PL fixtures should take precedence of EL fixtures. ? Matej Zagar and Andreas Jonsson are down to ride. The PL double uppers are missing. :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Thankfully Steve Worrall is Belle Vue asset else he would have been missing too as Newcastle at Somerset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Yes there are, Fricke & Nielsen are on their way to World U21 qualifiers, not PL meetings.And the other two have PL fixtures. Kim Nilsson missed the Wolves meeting on Monday because of a GP qualifier so not having EL meetings on Friday/Sauturday would not avoid that. The biggest problem with riders missing , apart from injuries is fixture clashes with D/u riders. Cook and Grajconak both ride for PL clubs that race on a Friday so they are always going to miss a Lakeside fixture. That is a DU problem. I don't think Cook has ever been to Lakeside because he is always at his PL club, nothing to to with international duty. The fact that Fricke and Neilsson are not available is bad fixture planning. It simply needs proper fixture planning not stopping EL clubs racing on a Friday. Edited May 28, 2015 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Quite right, three quarters of speedway's troubles are a result of dreadful fixture planning. I agree about Cook and Josh G, these are two riders who we are told are ambitious and want to improve so they really shouldn't miss EL matches to ride in the PL regardless of who's asset they may be. No admission of being wrong about Fricke & Nielsen though, you'd make a great politician Edited May 28, 2015 by Gordon Bennett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 How much to get in? Looks great value for money.... Come on the 'NL/PL/EL Globetrotters'... Maybe these lads could 'tour the nation' visiting each track in turn? They would pack em in I tell you, pack em in!!! As a fan you have to laugh or you would cry wouldnt you? We actually follow a sport that actively supports such occurrences to take place and see it as 'perfectly normal'.. Setting off now so I beat the queues.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Quite right, three quarters of speedway's troubles are a result of dreadful fixture planning. I agree about Cook and Josh G, these are two riders who we are told are ambitious and want to improve so they really shouldn't miss EL matches to ride in the PL regardless of who's asset they may be. No admission of being wrong about Fricke & Nielsen though, you'd make a great politician Yes I missed the point about Fricke and Nielson, but that doesn't affect the point being made . The point was that it was said that EL should move away from weekend meetings to avoid guests and my reply was why should the top league move to accommodate the lower league. The fact remains that two of the missing riders are riding in PL matches and nobody has yet said why the EL should move to accommodate the PL double uppers. The other thing is that Ipswich have booked a guest for Nielson on Saturday so even if theEL moved away from weekend race nights Nielson would still not be available for his PL club on Saturday. The bottom line is that the root of the problem is poor fixture planning and nothing to do with the EL having a Friday race night 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) Except that there are no riders on international duty. The reason Belle Vue have half a team of guests is that they have riders piddling around in the PL . It the problem is the double uppers not the international riders. Well come on then explain to me why PL fixtures should take precedence of EL fixtures. ? Matej Zagar and Andreas Jonsson are down to ride. The PL double uppers are missing. Quite right, three quarters of speedway's troubles are a result of dreadful fixture planning. I agree about Cook and Josh G, these are two riders who we are told are ambitious and want to improve so they really shouldn't miss EL matches to ride in the PL regardless of who's asset they may be. No admission of being wrong about Fricke & Nielsen though, you'd make a great politician And here we go with the EL snobbery yet again... Get yer head's out of your own backsides and accept the fact that Cook is an Edinburgh asset just as Grajczonek is a Somerset asset... Cookie is contracted firstly to Edinburgh. Edinburgh race on Friday nights, always have done. Why not move the Lakeside fixture with Belle Vue to their alternative race night? Why should a PL team play second best to the far from Elite League? Are Cook and Grajczonek going to improve substantially by racing in the EL where there is one rider per team that is above PL quality? No... There are far more underlying issues with the EL than just riders missing meetings due to honouring the teams they are assets of... The problem is that there is no consistency in the EL anymore. The top leagues in other countries ride on the same day. If the EL is to survive, they have to do the same - they have to ride on Monday's. Simple. Don't go blaming PL teams and riders for the shambolic setup of the EL. Edited May 29, 2015 by Nutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I agree about a uniform race night for the EL but it's unlikely to ever happen. Maybe a couple of race nights could happen though rather than five. The other bit is nothing to do with EL snobbery, it's just daft that riders who are looking to break into the big time are missing top division meeting to ride in second tier matches, it defies common sense. And I'd say the same if they both rode for my team in the PL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Who will be the 1st club to turn up with 7 guests it's getting close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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