foamfence Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Lord Skid said: But the engine never did what was promised, anyone can sell something by making false claims. There haven't been any false claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 So a standard GTR won a GP, if you believe that then there's no hope. Isn't there a problem with the big end bearings not lasting the distance. Just ask Jonny the Spud for a recommendation, he knows what the score is with the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 38 minutes ago, Lord Skid said: So a standard GTR won a GP, if you believe that then there's no hope. Isn't there a problem with the big end bearings not lasting the distance. Just ask Jonny the Spud for a recommendation, he knows what the score is with the engine. A bought in component that failed in a very small number of cases and the engine does come with a warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Its clear all engines will have issues the major concern was that the USP of the GTR was that it would remain competitive for far longer than a currently tuned Jawa/GM. Once doubt is in peoples minds the price tag becomes a bit too large to gamble on. There was also the never declared service costs? Its no good lasting 5 times a long if the bill will be 5 times the size. Personally i feel it would have been good to set up a factory team perhaps at NL level and see how the results were across the board over a season. All the riders would have had to work together to gain setups and the cost saving could have then been noted at the end of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, *JJ said: Because promoters insist that NL riders have two bikes and a van and a fully-professional setup. Are you expecting a rider to cough up ten grand for engines on top of that? They often buy second-hand anyway. The days of a rider turning up with one bike on the back of a car have long gone: even at amateur level. Not true , that’s just in the head of riders and it’s that mentality that’s pushing the sport out of reach financially Edited May 24, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Lord Skid said: So a standard GTR won a GP, if you believe that then there's no hope. Isn't there a problem with the big end bearings not lasting the distance. Just ask Jonny the Spud for a recommendation, he knows what the score is with the engine. So what special parts were in lindgren’s engine ?? It was the chrome coming off the big end pin , we have been through all this before and you just ignore the facts and only hear what you want to hear, still waiting for your ideas as a way forward , you just keep burying your head in the sand like the others 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 5 hours ago, *JJ said: Because promoters insist that NL riders have two bikes and a van and a fully-professional setup. Are you expecting a rider to cough up ten grand for engines on top of that? They often buy second-hand anyway. The days of a rider turning up with one bike on the back of a car have long gone: even at amateur level. 2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Not true , that’s just in the head of riders and it’s that mentality that’s pushing the sport out of reach financially Its largely common sense but far from essential. A bike can be damaged in seconds so turning up with two is just practical. The leagues are spread far and wide so a van is more usable than a car and rack / trailer but all promotions really care about is riders who score points and turn up every time on time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 have heard that Greg Hancock is testing and working alongside marcel now could the GTR be about to be reborn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 59 minutes ago, neb said: have heard that Greg Hancock is testing and working alongside marcel now could the GTR be about to be reborn? So it said on polish press a few weeks ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 5 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Not true , that’s just in the head of riders and it’s that mentality that’s pushing the sport out of reach financially The sport isn't out of reach financially, if you are good enough, you'll earn money, you get out of it what you are worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Davis Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 What actually happened to the GTR project ? It just went quiet. Is the Godden project going to go the same way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lord Skid said: The sport isn't out of reach financially, if you are good enough, you'll earn money, you get out of it what you are worth. I meant the sport is costing more than the income it’s generating and the riders are fueling that by demanding this and that, saying they have to have this and they have to have that, it’s no good putting it all in to be the best if there is nowhere left to be the best and that’s where we are heading Edited May 24, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 One of the biggest problems this sport has got and as had for a long time is no regulation on equipment , if GM were to make a new super short stroke 100mm piston 60stroke engine and it proved to be faster but it doubled the cost, every rider would get one and speedway would allow it because it fits in with the vague regulation we have now, so it doubles the cost overnight but has no benifit to the sport at all, it doesn’t bring one person through the turnstiles and this has been happening since the street engine in the 70s and not just with engines, there should be a technical committee that looks at new products and that product should have 3 questions asked of it. 1. is it a safety benefit . 2. Does it do anything to improve the sport,. 3 does it reduce costs for the competitor ,if it doesn’t tick at least 1 box its get thrown out 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 7:58 PM, Shale Searcher said: It's how the bike looks as well, the other week, a NL rider and mechanic spent best part of 2 hours piddling about with those spoke straws, all nicely colour coordinated, ish, with rest of guards/covers, but in their quest for making bike look good, they failed to notice a broken spoke!! The one with the balancing weight, which was swinging more than the swinging footrest!!! Very nearly missed his first race.... I've heard of that ^^ happening. Not forgetting £40 fuel tank caps, essential equipment..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Duh ... what's a spoke straw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, *JJ said: Duh ... what's a spoke straw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Mitch Godden won the legendary Tetrow grasstrack on the new GR Godden last week...... just saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Did the BSPA actually buy a lot of GTR engines or agree to do so, if the demand was there? Is there a big shed full of them gently rusting away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 6 hours ago, waytogo28 said: Did the BSPA actually buy a lot of GTR engines or agree to do so, if the demand was there? Is there a big shed full of them gently rusting away? There's a few kicking around but not shed loads. The BSPA had an agreed number of units with Gerhard but they were to be built to order. As I understand, the BSPA had to make up the difference between the Gerhard RRP and the price the BSPA were selling them for if the agreed numbers where not sold. All in all, it's not that much of a loss to the BSPA. Pretty much a win win for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 16 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: There's a few kicking around but not shed loads. The BSPA had an agreed number of units with Gerhard but they were to be built to order. As I understand, the BSPA had to make up the difference between the Gerhard RRP and the price the BSPA were selling them for if the agreed numbers where not sold. All in all, it's not that much of a loss to the BSPA. Pretty much a win win for them Respectfully, I should check your sources again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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