waytogo28 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Perfectly put,if for example Tai Harris wants to spend 100k of his Polish sponsors money on engines, good luck to him, but where the problem starts is when his UK club agree to pay £X00's a point, whereas they can realistically only offer him £150 a point, if he doesn't want to ride for that, then tough, the BSPA have got to stop the tail wagging the dog, but it's not the tails fault if the dog is stupid. Oh Lord Skid - how right you are! Or if not stupid then deaf to other people's ideas and stuck in the "We Are Right. I Know It" mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 I see that a rider using GTR won a meeting in cairns (Far North Queensland) on the weekend, only a few solos were there but it seemed to go on the rather large track... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 I see that a rider using GTR won a meeting in cairns (Far North Queensland) on the weekend, only a few solos were there but it seemed to go on the rather large track... Living in remote town like Cairns, having an engine with longer service intervals would be very useful, anyone know what Dave Jackson is doing nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Do we know of any riders who are on Gerhard's this season ? Or of any of last years riders have they stayed with them or gone back to GMs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 A better bet would be the new Godden. Tried the GTR. too difficult to set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 As Rob Godfrey, I believe he has that many of them he is using them as door stops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 21 hours ago, dabbsjoe said: Do we know of any riders who are on Gerhard's this season ? Or of any of last years riders have they stayed with them or gone back to GMs ? Layne Cupitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 On 01/11/2017 at 8:29 PM, AFCB Wildcat said: Maybe I'm seeing it wrong but should a "lower order kid" have to be sitting on a machine equal to that of a vastly experienced GP rider in order to be competitive? Surely at NL level rider ability should be the limiting factor not the bike. The trouble is these days kids want to be on a bike thats performance vastly exceeds their ability before they have learnt track craft. It's how the bike looks as well, the other week, a NL rider and mechanic spent best part of 2 hours piddling about with those spoke straws, all nicely colour coordinated, ish, with rest of guards/covers, but in their quest for making bike look good, they failed to notice a broken spoke!! The one with the balancing weight, which was swinging more than the swinging footrest!!! Very nearly missed his first race.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Ok, so now the GTR is all but dead and buried, who were the winners and losers with this folly. Losers were definitely the Riders who got sucked in, and the BSPA. Not sure who the winners were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Lord Skid said: Ok, so now the GTR is all but dead and buried, who were the winners and losers with this folly. Losers were definitely the Riders who got sucked in, and the BSPA. Not sure who the winners were. Well at least an attempt was made to help riders get a cheaper engine to run and attempt to control cost which was perceived to be the problem. Did it fail ? It would seem it did what was expected with good reduction of running costs with good performance, but rather difficult to get the settings right. Where have we heard that before. What it did do was start others to try and achieve the same benefits so the GM monopoly is definaltey under threat and that can only be good in the longer term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Lord Skid said: Ok, so now the GTR is all but dead and buried, who were the winners and losers with this folly. Losers were definitely the Riders who got sucked in, and the BSPA. Not sure who the winners were. Speedway as a whole must have lost out. If the monies quoted were invested into an engine which very few want rather than into youth speedway, training days or stop the press....promoting the sport things could be very different. Instead there are now plenty of people stuck with engines worth little more than scrap that they are faced with the option of persisting with, storing or selling at a huge loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lord Skid said: Ok, so now the GTR is all but dead and buried, who were the winners and losers with this folly. Losers were definitely the Riders who got sucked in, and the BSPA. Not sure who the winners were. Speedway was the loser because it had a chance to address the cost issue and mechanically at least get a sound footing to build on, unfortunatly the sport is riddled with people with their head buried in the sand like you who can’t ever see the bigger picture and offer nothing more than cheap jibes Edited May 23, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 i still believe the GTR should have been aimed more towards the NL to get riders using the GTR, saving money (after the initial outlay though obviously) and using the engines throughout the levels. top riders are more unlikely to move as they will generally have so much more invested. one of the problems we have in the NL though was mentioned by Shale Searcher, why do you need spoke straws and all the bits a GP rider has at that level?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 If only someone would tell us just how much the BSPA did invest in the GTR. If it was substantial it was the last throw of the dice with Sky TV cash. And seemingly a wasted one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Would it be possible to make the NL GTR engine to be used say from 1st March 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 i was reading yesterday some posts from graham hurry saying that paul used a GTR last season, did 22 meetings without any service work and he actually made a bit of money although I doubt he was on a crap deal but the point is the engine, there will be riders who are lesser standard or equal that spent £££££ with englebert fancypants engine tuning and lost a fortune and cant make it pay and will tell you a million reasons why they wont use a GTR, there is a lesson there somewhere for not just riders but speedway as a whole but don't expect it to be learnt 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: i was reading yesterday some posts from graham hurry saying that paul used a GTR last season, did 22 meetings without any service work and he actually made a bit of money although I doubt he was on a crap deal but the point is the engine, there will be riders who are lesser standard or equal that spent £££££ with englebert fancypants engine tuning and lost a fortune and cant make it pay and will tell you a million reasons why they wont use a GTR, there is a lesson there somewhere for not just riders but speedway as a whole but don't expect it to be learnt You're absolutely right imho, had Marcel persevered independently it would and may still develop as a positive option. The BSPA presented this as the utopian solution which was met with the usual mistrust and contempt from so many, including me. I can't diss the initiative but the implementation was premature and poor yet in reality it could still be the eventual solution. My beef is that engines are the rider's responsibility not the BSPA when they can't even get right the things they are good at! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 But the engine never did what was promised, anyone can sell something by making false claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Lord Skid said: But the engine never did what was promised, anyone can sell something by making false claims. It won a GP and as shown in my last post and proved by lindgren was reliable and cost effective, it’s down side was getting it to perform (set up), what else did you expect it to do ? Edited May 24, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 15 hours ago, stevehone said: i still believe the GTR should have been aimed more towards the NL to get riders using the GTR, saving money (after the initial outlay though obviously) and using the engines throughout the levels. top riders are more unlikely to move as they will generally have so much more invested. one of the problems we have in the NL though was mentioned by Shale Searcher, why do you need spoke straws and all the bits a GP rider has at that level?? Because promoters insist that NL riders have two bikes and a van and a fully-professional setup. Are you expecting a rider to cough up ten grand for engines on top of that? They often buy second-hand anyway. The days of a rider turning up with one bike on the back of a car have long gone: even at amateur level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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