Gerhard Engine

[IronScorpion]

Ryan Douglas has sold his to Lee Dicken for his lad who has, also, sourced another. I heard on Sunday that Ryan's had less power than the other. Even having Ryan's ex mechanic Reece working for Freddie, nothing could be done to sort his engine out. (employed by Freddie now so no secrets should be let out)

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

One fault that has happened is the hardening coming off the big end pin

[fredbogge]

One fault that has happened is the hardening coming off the big end pin

Hi Dean does that mean the crank pin is hard chrome plated or is it that the top (wear surface) is spalling that is pieces flaking off that would seem to mean wrong material or wrong heat treament

[mac101]

The one Freddie was riding at Cardiff snapped a head bolt or bolts according to his mechanic ,

Edited July 26, 2017 by mac101

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Hi Dean does that mean the crank pin is hard chrome plated or is it that the top (wear surface) is spalling that is pieces flaking off that would seem to mean wrong material or wrong heat treament

chrome plated

[Sings4Speedway]

The one Freddie was riding at Cardiff snapped a head bolt or bolts according to his mechanic ,

 

Sounded a lot worse than that? But either way concerning.

[Lord Skid]

Snapped a head bolt, more like the head lifted, thus snapping the bolt/s.

Snapped head bolts, worn crank pin, sounds more like Honda F1's problems, than a bulletproof speedway engine, with state of the art oil system, what's the words you use when disputing a Warranty, not fit for purpose springs to mind, glad I never made all those fantasy claims about wear and servicing, sounds like the GTR band wagon have gone very quiet, compared to when they were lording it as the saviour of British Speedway, sounds similar to when Dirt deflectors were going to see an end to those meetings being called off through rain.

[foamfence]

Snapped a head bolt, more like the head lifted, thus snapping the bolt/s.

Snapped head bolts, worn crank pin, sounds more like Honda F1's problems, than a bulletproof speedway engine, with state of the art oil system, what's the words you use when disputing a Warranty, not fit for purpose springs to mind, glad I never made all those fantasy claims about wear and servicing, sounds like the GTR band wagon have gone very quiet, compared to when they were lording it as the saviour of British Speedway, sounds similar to when Dirt deflectors were going to see an end to those meetings being called off through rain.

Meanwhile, dozens of GM and Jawa engines have wrecked themselves for various reasons and THEY don't carry a warranty. There will always be the chance of problems with racing engines but there hasn't always been the chance of getting one with a warranty. Doubtless the naysayers on here will cream their pants at any negative incident that is reported.

[Lord Skid]

Nobody in their right mind sells a race engine with any Warranty.

 

 

If they had marketed the GTR as an alternative engine, then fine, but to basically con people into buying them with false claims is wrong, the claims were supposed to justify the high cost of the initial purchase.

THERE will be a full report on the new engine in SS shortly. Designed by Marcel Gerhard, Kelvin Tatum has had a massive input, and being built by Sutec AG in Switzerland.

 

Obviously created a lot of interest in the Marketa pits over the weekend. In essence, the aim is to be as competitive as GMs but to run for around 20 hours between services. That's a lot of races. Compare this with Jarek Hampel GMs which, he said, do just 15 heats.

 

But it is not an engine specifically aimed at the top echelon of riders. Far from it. It will come fully built, not in kit form like a GM. The potential scale of economies available to bread and butter riders is quite significant.

 

That's a pretty strong marketing pitch from Phil Rising in 2015. Has anyone done 20 hours, which equates to roughly 40 meetings on an engine without touching it.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Lord Skid

[f-s-p]

All racing engines come with a warranty. It says that if you can start it up, at point one it will break.

[Tsunami]

Nobody in their right mind sells a race engine with any Warranty.

 

 

If they had marketed the GTR as an alternative engine, then fine, but to basically con people into buying them with false claims is wrong, the claims were supposed to justify the high cost of the initial purchase.

THERE will be a full report on the new engine in SS shortly. Designed by Marcel Gerhard, Kelvin Tatum has had a massive input, and being built by Sutec AG in Switzerland.

 

Obviously created a lot of interest in the Marketa pits over the weekend. In essence, the aim is to be as competitive as GMs but to run for around 20 hours between services. That's a lot of races. Compare this with Jarek Hampel GMs which, he said, do just 15 heats.

 

But it is not an engine specifically aimed at the top echelon of riders. Far from it. It will come fully built, not in kit form like a GM. The potential scale of economies available to bread and butter riders is quite significant.

 

That's a pretty strong marketing pitch from Phil Rising in 2015. Has anyone done 20 hours, which equates to roughly 40 meetings on an engine without touching it.

There's always one, isn't there. Prophets of gloom.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Tsunami

[Jonny the spud]

They go off song quickly, anyone who's got them running good isn't sharing info, i know of a few riders who've bought them and sold them on as they're a bugger to set up. I've also seen my first tuned one with different cams and a higher revving ignition.

 

same old same old

[Lord Skid]

Going to be the biggest white elephant in speedway history, wouldn't buy one in a BOGOF sale, it's going to end in tears, just like most marriages.

There's always one, isn't there. Prophets of gloom.

And there's only one person paying for this folly, and that's the Riders.

[Odds On]

There's always one, isn't there. Prophets of gloom.

 

 

hey fella, all that glitters in life doesn't turn out to be gold.

[Lord Skid]

I think they call it fools gold !

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Going to be the biggest white elephant in speedway history, wouldn't buy one in a BOGOF sale, it's going to end in tears, just like most marriages.

while it can't compete with the GM on performance your kind of missing the point of it , if everyone rode them they would be working and riders would be saving a fortune but hey keep up the cheap jibes , that's how you solve any crisis speedway or otherwise , i would like to hear your suggestion to curb the astronomicle rising costs of engines

[Odds On]

THE DEAN MACHINE, on 28 Jul 2017 - 09:06 AM, said:

while it can't compete with the GM on performance your kind of missing the point of it , if everyone rode them they would be working and riders would be saving a fortune but hey keep up the cheap jibes , that's how you solve any crisis speedway or otherwise , i would like to hear your suggestion to curb the astronomicle rising costs of engines

 

here's a very obvious simple way of realism hitting speedway riders, its simple and obvious, its a sport that the majority cant make a living out of, some do and are successful at it but the vast majority think they can and will, they wont.

The vast majority of riders think their day job is speedway, they need to wake up because it isn't, its just an expensive hobby, cheaper engines, dirt deflectors, oil mats, aver ages etc is just pissing in the wind.

Simple equation for speedway to realise, if a promoter makes a profit of say £5,000 on a race night, then a percentage of that is divided between the riders after his cut.

People say riders wont ride for peanuts, most riders don't know anything else apart from having a new sign written van for the pits along with a pair of the very latest bikes with all the very latest go faster gadgets on them, all things they cant afford.

[Lord Skid]

No they wouldn't save a fortune, they are overpriced to buy, they are unreliable, non competitive, and if you are not scoring points you get dropped, I think you should stop living in cookoo land.

It's called Racing, you want to win, it costs, the guy with the biggest wallet will win in the end, that's a fact.

If you want to be a top Rider, not just a also ran, you buy 5 GM's from PJR, Karger etc and you're somewhere near on a level playing field.

No way will everyone be riding the GTR, that ideas dead and gone

Ok, quick answer to put PL Speedway on an even keel, Heat Leaders £60 a point, Second strings £50, Reserves £40, no signing on fees, 20p a mile travel, tyre and fuel supplied.

Engine costs £12-15 per race for servicing.

Will it work? NO, because the Promoters will not stick to it, one will always want to pay a bit more to win, they've made their bed, they must lie in it.

[Tsunami]

 

here's a very obvious simple way of realism hitting speedway riders, its simple and obvious, its a sport that the majority cant make a living out of, some do and are successful at it but the vast majority think they can and will, they wont.

The vast majority of riders think their day job is speedway, they need to wake up because it isn't, its just an expensive hobby, cheaper engines, dirt deflectors, oil mats, aver ages etc is just pissing in the wind.

Simple equation for speedway to realise, if a promoter makes a profit of say £5,000 on a race night, then a percentage of that is divided between the riders after his cut.

People say riders wont ride for peanuts, most riders don't know anything else apart from having a new sign written van for the pits along with a pair of the very latest bikes with all the very latest go faster gadgets on them, all things they cant afford.

What world do you live in. So a promotion having say 25 home meetings can make £125.000 per season.

[Agostina Gerhard]

No they wouldn't save a fortune, they are overpriced to buy, they are unreliable, non competitive, and if you are not scoring points you get dropped, I think you should stop living in cookoo land.

It's called Racing, you want to win, it costs, the guy with the biggest wallet will win in the end, that's a fact.

If you want to be a top Rider, not just a also ran, you buy 5 GM's from PJR, Karger etc and you're somewhere near on a level playing field.

No way will everyone be riding the GTR, that ideas dead and gone

Ok, quick answer to put PL Speedway on an even keel, Heat Leaders £60 a point, Second strings £50, Reserves £40, no signing on fees, 20p a mile travel, tyre and fuel supplied.

Engine costs £12-15 per race for servicing.

Will it work? NO, because the Promoters will not stick to it, one will always want to pay a bit more to win, they've made their bed, they must lie in it.

 

GTR is overpriced to buy? 5'555.- EUR + 8% VAT makes 5'999.- EUR

Diffucult for both of us to compare prices because the tuners seems to hide they price.

Grossewächter from Germany has his price published ,need to mentioned this fairly, 6'783.- EUR for a tuned GM.

So if Grossewächter sells his GM tuned engine for nearly 800.- EUR more than us, what's a PJR, Karger and others tuners you mentioned on your post charging for his engine?

Don't get me wrong, they are free to charge what they feel they work worth! If they have top riders scoring good points on they engines.

It is just not our way to make business, we have ONE fix price for Mr. GP rider or youngster at sweden.

 

GTR is not competitive? Beeing at 4th place on the Worlchampionship is not beeing competitive?

How many max. scored had Lindgren this year at the Britisch, polish and swedisch league? They were a few.