tyretrax Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 It's a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 It's a GM. We know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 That looks different. This is what Gerhard has done for the sport in a positive manor, forcing others to improve their products I have a picture of a FGM engine from 2008 that's similar to the above and GTR. Like bigash said earlier, there's nothing new in GTR engine. But, you believe this, I believe that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 It looks like a GM with a Jawa head but on his twitter page the head is machined from a billet in house. PJR are tuning specialists not manufacturers but with their knowledge of tuning & machining heads, they know what is required. Should be interesting when it is tested. I wonder what horsepower it kicked out when tested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Maybe as Lewis Bridger is alledgedly having problems with his Revolution Team JRM engines. A deal could be worked out on a pay as you go type agreement to provide him with a Gerhard engine. The more he earns the quicker the engine gets paid off. Say 10% of his points money was the agreement. Be a good way of advertising their reliability and performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I have a picture of a FGM engine from 2008 that's similar to the above and GTR. Like bigash said earlier, there's nothing new in GTR engine. But, you believe this, I believe that... We all know there's nothing new with Gerhard but what they've done is build a reliable engine that requires less servicing and maintains performance against the big tuners. This is forcing the hand of the tuners to up their game i.e. PJR machining and testing their own improved parts. Regardless of people's opinion, it cannot be denied that Gerhard has forced engine manufacturers and tuners to improve their product for the better benefit of Speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 We all know there's nothing new with Gerhard but what they've done is build a reliable engine that requires less servicing and maintains performance against the big tuners. This is forcing the hand of the tuners to up their game i.e. PJR machining and testing their own improved parts. Regardless of people's opinion, it cannot be denied that Gerhard has forced engine manufacturers and tuners to improve their product for the better benefit of Speedway. Did you read what bigash said earlier in this thread? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Did you read what bigash said earlier in this thread? Yes I did, he had a lot to say. But I'm not sure what you're arguing about. Are you saying Gerhard hasn't took engines to the next level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Yes I did, he had a lot to say. But I'm not sure what you're arguing about. Are you saying Gerhard hasn't took engines to the next level? Most of what he had to say, was to protect his own interests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Are you saying Gerhard hasn't took engines to the next level? Yes I am. I believe what bigash said. Also like I said, the same engine design that GTR uses has been tried before, 10 years ago, and hasn't broken through. Technology in speedway has changed somewhat with offsets and shorter stroke, so maybe it will this time. But from all of bigash's comments I think the most important one's were that GTR has a limiter and if he put a limiter on a GM, the end result would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Maybe as Lewis Bridger is alledgedly having problems with his Revolution Team JRM engines. A deal could be worked out on a pay as you go type agreement to provide him with a Gerhard engine. The more he earns the quicker the engine gets paid off. Say 10% of his points money was the agreement. Be a good way of advertising their reliability and performance. If his contract is binding he's stuck with them. Kerr doesn't seem to do too bad with them. Yes I am. I believe what bigash said. Also like I said, the same engine design that GTR uses has been tried before, 10 years ago, and hasn't broken through. Technology in speedway has changed somewhat with offsets and shorter stroke, so maybe it will this time. But from all of bigash's comments I think the most important one's were that GTR has a limiter and if he put a limiter on a GM, the end result would be the same. The service intervals wouldn't be as wide, he has admitted that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Kerr left revolution halfway through last season and went back to gm . As has been said before but people are not listening, there is no problem with gtr , it's the bspa proposal to make it compulsory with 1/2 people selected to service, who's to say we won't be in one but it needs to be down to choice and to service where we want. Edited April 23, 2017 by KN1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Maybe as Lewis Bridger is alledgedly having problems with his Revolution Team JRM engines. A deal could be worked out on a pay as you go type agreement to provide him with a Gerhard engine. The more he earns the quicker the engine gets paid off. Say 10% of his points money was the agreement. Be a good way of advertising their reliability and performance.Don't riders pay 400 quid per meeting to ride in the team anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Don't riders pay 400 quid per meeting to ride in the team anyway? Can you explain this comment Please. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 We know So what's new about it? PJR machined on parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 So what's new about it? PJR machined on parts? It's a different top end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Don't riders pay 400 quid per meeting to ride in the team anyway?My understanding is that the bikes are maintained and transported and mechanics supplied by the team, but the rider pays 400 quid per meeting. Can't remember if I am honest where I either read or heard about this, but do recall not doubting the source at time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 My understanding is that the bikes are maintained and transported and mechanics supplied by the team, but the rider pays 400 quid per meeting. Can't remember if I am honest where I either read or heard about this, but do recall not doubting the source at time. Thank you for replying tb279. I wasn't aware of the financial arrangement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Thank you for replying tb279. I wasn't aware of the financial arrangement. I know it cost Lewis K a lot a couple of years ago, but in a way I also see the team side of it a good way to progress, maybe just needs to be cheaper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 You fall off and write a few bikes off, or blow a few engines.... that's where you benefit. Let's say an average basic point wage is 100 quid in the top flight, you need to score 4 before you put any food on the table. Score a max and you ve got a good take home wage for an evenings work. But in the second flight let's say average is 50 quid a point. 8 points is do able for most riders but essentially you need an 8 point average just to wipe your face. It's one of those deals that will be great for some, but pretty disastrous to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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