SCB Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 The new engine that has looked rapid in practice. Imagine the issue was with electronics or gearing. Track conditions could need 61 Teeth with the old GM but totally different with these. Tbf I know best part of FA about the older engines let alone the new one. Pure guesswork on my part. Or, and this is a wild guess, he's just not good enough and you could put him on a 600cc engine with the bets parts stuck on it and he'd just not that good. Some riders always look good riding around on there own, every time Jon Armstrong signed for Newport the fans at P&P had him down as being a 7 or 8 point man that season but come tapes up for meeting 1 he was still only ever a 4-5 point man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Some riders always look good riding around on there own, every time Jon Armstrong signed for Newport the fans at P&P had him down as being a 7 or 8 point man that season but come tapes up for meeting 1 he was still only ever a 4-5 point man. One rider well known for that here in Germany.I am told by one or two experts that he looks brilliant out on his own,but once 3 other riders are next to him at the tapes he seems to go to pieces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Don't you get given Fast Freddie's phone number, so you can get set ups from the horses mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 NicklasPorsingRacing @PorsingRacing 10h10 hours ago More First run out with @gerhardengines still need to find set ups but 10+2 away from home is satisfactory start. Belle Vue Wednesday 3 replies .4 retweets22 likes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 I cannot find a similar reference elsewhere in this thread, but if there sone send me a PM and I will use the HIDE option for this Post. Thank you. http://www.speedwaygb.co/gerhardengine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 I have found out that Freddie was testing a new engine at the w/e. Surely, he has a couple of engines in Britain & many others abroad for his respective teams, wether given or bought as he got the best out of the Gerhard engines testing for him. So, was it a new one or a re-built, serviced one as I would have thought he would have had them checked between seasons. They, also, do not do as many races abroad or in the GP's so just wondering why the need for a new one when they are all built exactly the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 I have found out that Freddie was testing a new engine at the w/e. Surely, he has a couple of engines in Britain & many others abroad for his respective teams, wether given or bought as he got the best out of the Gerhard engines testing for him. So, was it a new one or a re-built, serviced one as I would have thought he would have had them checked between seasons. They, also, do not do as many races abroad or in the GP's so just wondering why the need for a new one when they are all built exactly the same? He is the works rider so any testing is done by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 He is the works rider so any testing is done by him. Makes sense and quite right. However the premise of the the sale of the GTR engines is that anyone can buy the exact same one that Freddie is using & there was some kind of time guarantee before a V2 version will be released? If he was simply testing on a hired track then fair enough but if he was using one in a competitive meeting then it goes against everything that has been declared so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 He is the works rider so any testing is done by him. Why should there be any need for testing a new engine? The present one was built & I quote "The GTR should do 160 laps if correct maintenance & clean air filters used". If the BSPA have put an order in for £360k of these engines when ready, why is there a need for a Mk2? Or is the new engine just being built for the bigger tracks abroad? If Freddie can hit big points regularly in Britain AND score points in his foreign meetings & last years GP's, why the need for a Mk2? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 Get your point IS but surely if they don't develop a MK 2 now, they will be behind the times. Constantly evolving a MK 2 means if a competitor say GM or JAWA produce their own "low maintenance" engine but with improved performance (or cheaper price)GTR will have a product ready to compete. I hope more engine manufacturers do produce longer life engines and try to drag the cost of speedway down. If cheaper alternatives can be made to be competitive (and this applies to all speedway bike parts) it really will make speedway (outside the gps and polish top flight) more viable and secure the long term future of club speedway across Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 Why is there such an issue with Freddie testing a GTR? Why all of a sudden are people speculating he's using an upgrade? In Freddie's defence he's more than likely testing his GP motors i.e. just running them in, getting a feel for them. Also, he's likely to have about 10+ engines for the season. Also, if someone says testing they automatically assume engine. He could be testing a different frame, ignition, clutch etc etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Fast Freddie is a development works rider, you won't be getting the same engine as him, no matter how they try to put a spin on it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Fast Freddie is a development works rider, you won't be getting the same engine as him, no matter how they try to put a spin on it. I thought the selling point was that the engines were all the same. I am definitely not technical but that is what I was led to believe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 I thought the selling point was that the engines were all the same. I am definitely not technical but that is what I was led to believe. The claim was that they were the same as his, the claim was made before the season started and it's only reasonable to expect your works rider to test things, the current model has been guaranteed not to be replaced for about three years. There are a few riders doing OK with the engine now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 The claim was that they were the same as his, the claim was made before the season started and it's only reasonable to expect your works rider to test things, the current model has been guaranteed not to be replaced for about three years. There are a few riders doing OK with the engine now. Thanks for that ff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Adam Ellis scored 6+1 tonight on a new GTR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 Interesting articles in the recently published magazine 'Broadslide' regarding engine developments over the years...recommend the magazine to anyone who's interested in the technical side of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 Young tom Brennan at Eastbourne has got his dailed in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Something new from PJR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 That looks different. This is what Gerhard has done for the sport in a positive manor, forcing others to improve their products 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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