mac101 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) There is no rules on what engine you ride as long as it meets the SCB regulations no govern body can make them all ride the GTR engine It's up to the rider whether he wants to buy one or not do you honestly think they will make it compulsory for every rider to use the GTR,s just because they have done a deal with gerhard ?never in a month of Sundays will it happen Edited March 29, 2017 by mac101 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 There is no rules on what engine you ride as long as it meets the regulations no govern body can make them all ride the GTR It's up to the rider whether he wants to buy one or not do you honestly think they will make it compulsory to all ride GTR,s just because they have done a deal with them never in a month of Sundays will it happen Those 'regulations' can be changed. Personally I don't think they will become compulsory but I do know that they could make them so if they wished. Something drastic needs to happen to reduce costs for both riders and promoters, too many clubs are running at a loss and too many riders are asking for too much. If you want it to become amateur/part time over weekends and bank holidays, fair enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Those 'regulations' can be changed. Personally I don't think they will become compulsory but I do know that they could make them so if they wished. Something drastic needs to happen to reduce costs for both riders and promoters, too many clubs are running at a loss and too many riders are asking for too much. If you want it to become amateur/part time over weekends and bank holidays, fair enough. clubs should be paying what they can afford and the majority do, riders don't get what they ask for in the majority, and the majority of riders accept what is offered, they know the score within the sport. as have said before we have no problem with Gerhard or his engine, but it should not be made compulsory in the uk or anywhere else, the amount of riders already talking about jacking in if this comes about is growing, as the costs involved in buying these engines are too great especially as there will be no market to sell your GM's / Jawas,(same as buying a new car you sell the old toput towards the new one). Edited March 29, 2017 by KN1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 clubs should be paying what they can afford and the majority do, riders don't get what they ask for in the majority, and the majority of riders accept what is offered, they know the score within the sport. as have said before we have no problem with Gerhard or his engine, but it should not be made compulsory in the uk or anywhere else, the amount of riders already talking about jacking in if this comes about is growing, as the costs involved in buying these engines are too great especially as there will be no market to sell your GM's / Jawas,(same as buying a new car you sell the old toput towards the new one). It would be a gradual process with plenty of advanced notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 It would be a gradual process with plenty of advanced notice. they are talking next year, 2018. their is a vested interest by a few going on which is why such a spin is being put on it. your not getting it, a single compulsory engine will do nothing for speedway whatsoever. racing will be worse as riders who do not get on with the GTR will suffer where as at the moment they can try a cam / compression etc that suits them. like ive said before many riders are looking at quitting if its brought in, or being asking for higher wage /signing on fee due to the outlay for new GTRs and having no market to sale current GMs ,most riders do not buy new engines each year, in fact a lot of engines you see each week are relatively old in motor racing terms but are serviced and updated each year. one or two selected engine repairers (old pals act no doubt), putting other good honest engine builders around the country out of work (who do not charge a fortune) and that is not a dig at the big boy tuners as they also do a service and like any trade if people want to go to them and pay their prices that's their prerogative and in all fairness they have invested more so in equipment for their businesses to accommadate that. at the moment the bspa price is £4800 (discounted) so not sure what actual price will be, my son can buy a ported GM kit from vega for I believe £2350 + vat, what he saves on the GTR covers his servicing costs in a season. scenario 1, problem with GM engine at Poole, weds night, racing at Swindon thurs night as it stands can get fixed in time either by himself or say ricky Neale (poole), local engine builder, racing at Swindon. Problem with GTR sealed unit has to be fixed by say trevor hedge (Norwich). logistically probably not racing at Swindon. and is the same for all riders around the country in having someone to go to, that choice / option will be taken away, and how will you as fans feel if a rider cannot turn up because he has no engine. scenario 2, rider calls selected repairer says I think GTR needs a service, no its only done 90 races its ok , goes bang, who is liable, at the moment rider thinks engine needs service, gets it done. scenario 3, playoff final week coming up all 14 riders call selected repairer to get engines checked/serviced (just in case, peace of mind) selected repairer " I haven't got time to service 14 engines". like ive said, I have no problem with marcel and his engine the problem is the proposed compulsory use of it, which I see has no benefit to british or world speedway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 they are talking next year, 2018. their is a vested interest by a few going on which is why such a spin is being put on it. your not getting it, a single compulsory engine will do nothing for speedway whatsoever. racing will be worse as riders who do not get on with the GTR will suffer where as at the moment they can try a cam / compression etc that suits them. like ive said before many riders are looking at quitting if its brought in, or being asking for higher wage /signing on fee due to the outlay for new GTRs and having no market to sale current GMs ,most riders do not buy new engines each year, in fact a lot of engines you see each week are relatively old in motor racing terms but are serviced and updated each year. one or two selected engine repairers (old pals act no doubt), putting other good honest engine builders around the country out of work (who do not charge a fortune) and that is not a dig at the big boy tuners as they also do a service and like any trade if people want to go to them and pay their prices that's their prerogative and in all fairness they have invested more so in equipment for their businesses to accommadate that. at the moment the bspa price is £4800 (discounted) so not sure what actual price will be, my son can buy a ported GM kit from vega for I believe £2350 + vat, what he saves on the GTR covers his servicing costs in a season. scenario 1, problem with GM engine at Poole, weds night, racing at Swindon thurs night as it stands can get fixed in time either by himself or say ricky Neale (poole), local engine builder, racing at Swindon. Problem with GTR sealed unit has to be fixed by say trevor hedge (Norwich). logistically probably not racing at Swindon. and is the same for all riders around the country in having someone to go to, that choice / option will be taken away, and how will you as fans feel if a rider cannot turn up because he has no engine. scenario 2, rider calls selected repairer says I think GTR needs a service, no its only done 90 races its ok , goes bang, who is liable, at the moment rider thinks engine needs service, gets it done. scenario 3, playoff final week coming up all 14 riders call selected repairer to get engines checked/serviced (just in case, peace of mind) selected repairer " I haven't got time to service 14 engines". like ive said, I have no problem with marcel and his engine the problem is the proposed compulsory use of it, which I see has no benefit to british or world speedway. Some of your scenario's are pure conjecture and the engine will not be compulsory in 2018. If the engine is a sealed one and it blows up it would be covered by the warranty. If the current situation continues there will be more riders out of work or reduced to amateur status. By the way, I hope you're injuries are improving, I like to watch you whatever your riding. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 thanks for your thoughts to my son, scenario 1 has definitely happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Is anyone keeping a register of which rider is on what bike? Might be interesting for the Speedway Updates people, to annotate their scorecharts with a (G) by the name for Gerhard engine equipped rider, or (J) for those riding Jawa / JRM machinery, or leaving it blank for those on GM so that we can tell how riders on alternative equipmnent fare against each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 In the wolves side of the pits at Poole last night there was 9 GMs , 3 GTRs and 2 of the German things skornicki uses 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 In the wolves side of the pits at Poole last night there was 9 GMs , 3 GTRs and 2 of the German things skornicki uses So if Freddie had 2 GTR's who had the other one? and did they use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 So if Freddie had 2 GTR's who had the other one? and did they use it? nathan greaves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Nathan tried a GTR at a private practice at Scunthorpe. Think it was the Poultec training day & he said it was borrowed to try. Must have bought one now. Some of your scenario's are pure conjecture and the engine will not be compulsory in 2018. If the engine is a sealed one and it blows up it would be covered by the warranty. If the current situation continues there will be more riders out of work or reduced to amateur status. By the way, I hope you're injuries are improving, I like to watch you whatever your riding. :-) There is the scenario that most riders turn up with 2 bikes & have a spare engine around somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Nathan tried a GTR at a private practice at Scunthorpe. Think it was the Poultec training day & he said it was borrowed to try. Must have bought one now. There is the scenario that most riders turn up with 2 bikes & have a spare engine around somewhere. agree , but I was slated on fb, for suggesting you would need 10k to buy 2 GTRs, as they are supposedly that good you would only need 1, and its a modern day unnecssary requirement by riders to have 2 bikes.. Edited March 30, 2017 by KN1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Just another point, if you buy a GTR, then your Promoter will give you a worse deal than if you were on a GM, this is how it makes the Sport more viable for the Promoter. So does that mean that GTR Rider has got to ride for let's say 15-20% less than his opponents on GM's. As this is what helps save the Sport, and is the main marketing tool for the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Your excessive engine wear was caused by a poor air filter letting in dirt, that will be the stock answer to void your Warranty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Anyone got a pic of the German engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Chris Louis @chrislouisIWSC 16h16 hours ago More 1st batch of @gerhardengines has arrived and will be going out next week. Jordan Jenkins just couldn't wait any longer! #lovingGTRlife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Have seen A good few of them have been taken up by NL riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Why should other promotions suffer because some cant run a business properly? Many promotions run a very tight ship and pay their bills and continue to run speedway,is it fair that their money should be used to bail out others? Ryan Douglas used one at the show ground last Friday,once got it set up looked fast enough to me like anything new i guess they will need some time to work them out Re club bail outs/monies owed to riders/suppliers.. Ok, if no assistance is to be given, then the BSPA shouldn't take circa £50k bonds from clubs.. Problem sorted, well, moved along.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) Re club bail outs/monies owed to riders/suppliers.. Ok, if no assistance is to be given, then the BSPA shouldn't take circa £50k bonds from clubs.. Problem sorted, well, moved along.... Do you have any idea at all how the bond works? It's for each individual clubs protection. Example, if King's Lynn come the end of the season owes money then the King's Lynn bond is there to cover King's Lynn debts. The bonds are not clubbed together so a club can go £200,000 in the red and be bailed out, that makes no sense at all to do that. Edited April 2, 2017 by Danny Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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