Gerhard Engine

[Daniel Smith]

And what proof (if any) do you have for that?

 

Don't have any hence the word 'inkling'

[Tsunami]

 

Don't have any hence the word 'inkling'

So in other words, it is non-information.

Not exactly helpful to the current progress of the deal.

[Daniel Smith]

So in other words, it is non-information.

Not exactly helpful to the current progress of the deal.

 

I'm not the one asking the questions.

The riders are getting no answers that if they buy from the BSPA how much it is for spare parts & servicing.

Basic stuff that should be readily available but seems to be top secret.

If the rider's can't be given that information, buying a Gerhard becomes a substantial risk

[IronScorpion]

Go directly to the "horse's mouth" at Trevor Hedge Racing as they are the sole servicing outlet, at the moment. They, also, service GM & Jawa and all are "Prices on request"

[Lord Skid]

A complete and utter joke, who in their right mind is going to buy an over priced, non competitive engine, only the BSPA!!, Just stick to your GM's and win races, that's all Riders want.

So you can buy one for £5,500 from a Dealer, or £3,900 from the BSPA with some cheap parts thrown in, or buy a good used GM for £1500 and make a profit.

[foamfence]

A complete and utter joke, who in their right mind is going to buy an over priced, non competitive engine, only the BSPA!!, Just stick to your GM's and win races, that's all Riders want.

So you can buy one for £5,500 from a Dealer, or £3,900 from the BSPA with some cheap parts thrown in, or buy a good used GM for £1500 and make a profit.

How do you know that they aren't competitive? Yes stick with your GM and pay hundreds a month in servicing, while the sport goes bankrupt as a result. Why do you think the BSPA are doing this?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

How do you know that they aren't competitive? Yes stick with your GM and pay hundreds a month in servicing, while the sport goes bankrupt as a result. Why do you think the BSPA are doing this?

I personally think this is the best thing the Bspa have tried in years , I can see what buster is trying achieve but he really is up against the speedway mafia Edited December 31, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[foamfence]

I personally think this is the best thing the Bspa have tried in years , I can see what buster is trying achieve but he really is up against the speedway mafia

I agree Dean, although I do take your point about more riders learning to do their own servicing, at least those who aren't riding here there and everywhere, five or six nights a week.

[IronScorpion]

If you buy a Gerhard, it costs you £4000 + VAT so about £4800 including warranty..

This example is based on 100 heats........................NO service..............NO oil change(has its own oil pump & filter but might do 1 change)

 

Buy a used GM about £1800 (what state is it in requiring a service?)

This example based also on 100 heats....................service every 35 heats at £350 basic is £1050

.................................................................................oil change every 2 heats (850cc x 6 in 5litres of oil costing £40-£60) requires approx. 8 x 5Litres is £320-£480 depending on quality of oil used.

 

This is just the basics taken from Speedway Star & forum.

 

AFAIK I have not heard of anything going wrong with the Gerhard so is good for possibly another 100 heats at minimal cost.

 

Where as a GM could have had issues as I am not sure of any rider that has NOT blown an engine once or twice a season leading to more outlay.

 

Yes, the initial cost is more but in the long run could be advantageous. Getting the right set up is an art for all riders on tracks of different size & track surfaces so the Gerhard could be competitive as has been proven by F Lindgren. It is trial and error for everyone wether using a Gerhard, GM or Jawa.

[foamfence]

If you buy a Gerhard, it costs you £4000 + VAT so about £4800 including warranty..

This example is based on 100 heats........................NO service..............NO oil change(has its own oil pump & filter but might do 1 change)

 

Buy a used GM about £1800 (what state is it in requiring a service?)

This example based also on 100 heats....................service every 35 heats at £350 basic is £1050

.................................................................................oil change every 2 heats (850cc x 6 in 5litres of oil costing £40-£60) requires approx. 8 x 5Litres is £320-£480 depending on quality of oil used.

 

This is just the basics taken from Speedway Star & forum.

 

AFAIK I have not heard of anything going wrong with the Gerhard so is good for possibly another 100 heats at minimal cost.

 

Where as a GM could have had issues as I am not sure of any rider that has NOT blown an engine once or twice a season leading to more outlay.

 

Yes, the initial cost is more but in the long run could be advantageous. Getting the right set up is an art for all riders on tracks of different size & track surfaces so the Gerhard could be competitive as has been proven by F Lindgren. It is trial and error for everyone wether using a Gerhard, GM or Jawa.

Another often missed point is that you have to take or send your GM for all those services and you'll need another as cover while you're at it, so it isn't just the cost of one engine.

[IronScorpion]

Another often missed point is that you have to take or send your GM for all those services and you'll need another as cover while you're at it, so it isn't just the cost of one engine.

True foamfence but how many riders bring 1 bike to race meetings? They often have 2 bikes plus, maybe, a spare engine in the van never mind at the workshop!

[Lord Skid]

What's the point of having an economical to run engine, it's all about how much your engine earns you, regarding Fast Freddie, he was on a development engine, which by it's name would have been stripped down, altered many times, so you can't use that as a yardstick.

It's all hypothetical anyway, Riders are not going to throw 8-11k at an unknown, and risk their livelihood, they are already ordering their GM's for 2017.

[foamfence]

What's the point of having an economical to run engine, it's all about how much your engine earns you, regarding Fast Freddie, he was on a development engine, which by it's name would have been stripped down, altered many times, so you can't use that as a yardstick.

It's all hypothetical anyway, Riders are not going to throw 8-11k at an unknown, and risk their livelihood, they are already ordering their GM's for 2017.

But last season the factory claimed that his engine wasn't frequently stripped down and now they are claiming that all their current engines are the same as his, so are they liars or are you just guessing?

[Tsunami]

A complete and utter joke, who in their right mind is going to buy an over priced, non competitive engine, only the BSPA!!, Just stick to your GM's and win races, that's all Riders want.

So you can buy one for £5,500 from a Dealer, or £3,900 from the BSPA with some cheap parts thrown in, or buy a good used GM for £1500 and make a profit.

The usual negative sh!t from a usual source. I suppose from your comments, you didn't watch Freddie Lingren last year in the GP's. Or did you just ignore that.

Then folks complain about Promoters, when they try to put a show on for the likes of you.

 

Freddie's improvement in form was on a test engine for evaluation, and showed most folks how it could improve a rider, and to get data regarding tuning and improvements.

Edited December 31, 2016 by Tsunami

[IronScorpion]

What's the point of having an economical to run engine, it's all about how much your engine earns you, regarding Fast Freddie, he was on a development engine, which by it's name would have been stripped down, altered many times, so you can't use that as a yardstick.

It's all hypothetical anyway, Riders are not going to throw 8-11k at an unknown, and risk their livelihood, they are already ordering their GM's for 2017.

Which is the question I asked at post #738. Have the internals been changed to suit F Lindgren with his input back to Gerhard whereas Bomber could not!

 

Or are they still standard as per the first engine built? No replies, as yet, to substantiate this theory.

 

As posted in the SS, all the engines, now, are the same as Freddie's.

[FAST GATER]

If this engine was a tenth of a second a lap faster than the GM( or claimed to be ) no one would have any negative thoughts ,I witnessed the four valve revolution never heard any complaint against the cost of changing then .Many riders moan about costs but in reality it is speed they are hunting and costs come a poor second it their their priorities sadly .

[Bagpuss]

I hope this project is successful as it really could drive costs down and possibly lead to closer racing. The ultimate ideal would be for everyone to be on these engines who rides in the UK.

[sommelier]

The usual negative sh!t from a usual source. I suppose from your comments, you didn't watch Freddie Lingren last year in the GP's. Or did you just ignore that.

Then folks complain about Promoters, when they try to put a show on for the likes of you.

 

Freddie's improvement in form was on a test engine for evaluation, and showed most folks how it could improve a rider, and to get data regarding tuning and improvements.

Agree & don't forget Jason Doyle used a GR engine at Chris Harris testimonial & won the meeting!

[Trees]

I can't believe the manufacturer and importers would sell these engines and they'll not do what they say on the box, that would simply be stupid as it would be the end of their business??

[OveFundinFan]

If Freddie did what he did on an engine being developed, and I no reason to disbelieve it, then he did really really well.

It is very reasonable to think that the developments would be put into production models asap, so that means those being purchased now have all the development mods that proved +ve during 2016 incorporated into them.

Of course, riders still have to be able to match the capabilities of the engine, whatever engine that be.