THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 What "was" this German Engine? it was something that a guy from BMW made a few years ago and Tobias kroner rode it in a couple of meetings , the ignition system was way to complicated but the engine itself seemed to go ok and adam said it was quite reliable too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 FREDDIE Lindgren in SS this week after his ELRC victory ... Normally most riders have to have their engine tuners strip down their engine after 15/10 heats. The first time it happened to his GTR was after 90 races and he points out that was just routine rather because something had gone wrong. "We checked out everything, put it on a dyno and the power ratio was the same as new. 360 laps ... that's a lot laps!" said Lindgren. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 FREDDIE Lindgren in SS this week after his ELRC victory ... Normally most riders have to have their engine tuners strip down their engine after 15/10 heats. The first time it happened to his GTR was after 90 races and he points out that was just routine rather because something had gone wrong. "We checked out everything, put it on a dyno and the power ratio was the same as new. 360 laps ... that's a lot laps!" said Lindgren. so 90 races and it's still good . I wonder if it was re-assembled with the same parts ? or were some replaced as a precaution , seems like the way forward to lower costs, and proven competitive , just need to keep tuners noses out or the whole exercise will have been a complete waste of Gerhards time and effort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Trouble is as fast as it is and reliable as it seems.Once tuners get one it will end up the same as the rest. Engines need to be sealed with a NON TAMPER seal if poss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Couldn't Gerhard get some sort of legal patent copyright protection thingy that stops any tampering of engine casing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Couldn't Gerhard get some sort of legal patent copyright protection thingy that stops any tampering of engine casing? Wouldn't think so, unless he only leases rather than sells the engines? Assume any warranty could be voided, but doubt you can legally stop someone pulling apart something they have purchased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Trouble is as fast as it is and reliable as it seems.Once tuners get one it will end up the same as the rest. Engines need to be sealed with a NON TAMPER seal if poss Why would anyone hand one to a tuner, Lindgren's is as fast as any engine in the world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 But nobody believes the claims, how are Harris and Lambert going with theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Why would anyone hand one to a tuner, Lindgren's is as fast as any engine in the world? But, it could be tuned more precisely to Freddies riding style, for example, faster from the gate, or higher top end speed, or quicker mid-range acceleration, or....... Basically same procedure that riders do with their GM'S or JAWA'S, it would probably weaken the engines reliability, make it slightly more frsgile but probably not as fragile as the other engines currently are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 But nobody believes the claims, how are Harris and Lambert going with theirs?Would anyone gauge am engine on Harris' ability to get the best out of it. Bomber seems a good bloke who gives his all, but is there anyone at the top level with less ability to get set ups right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 But nobody believes the claims, how are Harris and Lambert going with theirs? WHO is nobody? Harris hasn't got one and, as far as I know, neither, has Lambert. Why should Lindgren, or a couple of National League riders for that matter, lie? Have you got a hidden agenda here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Couldn't Gerhard get some sort of legal patent copyright protection thingy that stops any tampering of engine casing? you can only copyright against somenone " Copying " the original , Once you have paid for something what you do with it ,is no business of of person who manufactured it . although some speedway items have rules set ,to ensure you do not improve them or use consumables with them that are equal to but much cheaper than the originals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Why would anyone hand one to a tuner, Lindgren's is as fast as any engine in the world? Because if Freddies engine "out of the box" is this fast, imagine how good it would be if a tuner got hold of it and made further changes to it! It's possible Gerhard has made the engine so good it cannot be improved but do you honestly think if a rider sends the engine to "Joe Bloggs Tuning" and he wins a GP on it the week after (down to luck) that everyone else won't send their to "Joe Bloggs tuning" too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Because if Freddies engine "out of the box" is this fast, imagine how good it would be if a tuner got hold of it and made further changes to it! It's possible Gerhard has made the engine so good it cannot be improved but do you honestly think if a rider sends the engine to "Joe Bloggs Tuning" and he wins a GP on it the week after (down to luck) that everyone else won't send their to "Joe Bloggs tuning" too? THE real market for the GTR is 'bread and butter' riders who would be more than happy with its competitiveness and reliability and not having to try and get a tuner to squeeze a bit more speed out of it. Not having to spend unnecessary money over the course of a season would bring its own rewards. As for GP riders, sure they might try and improve it further but that would be a matter for them. Lindgren hasn't and hasn't seemed down on speed in GPs. The rest is up to him. Certainly some of his GP colleagues are taking a closer look but, at present, there is very limited availability of the engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 But nobody believes the claims, how are Harris and Lambert going with theirs? Lambert hasn't got one and the only one I've seen with Harris this year, is in his grass bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Lambert hasn't got one and the only one I've seen with Harris this year, is in his grass bike. I've seen Harris on one numerous times on sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I've seen Harris on one numerous times on sky. Not this season. He used it last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 THE real market for the GTR is 'bread and butter' riders who would be more than happy with its competitiveness and reliability and not having to try and get a tuner to squeeze a bit more speed out of it. Not having to spend unnecessary money over the course of a season would bring its own rewards.. and that is the current real issue , even NL riders are having to spend £1000s just to get on a level playing field , go back 12 or so years and you average joe with the right tools could make a competitive engine for the premier and even mid elite league but now its spend £1000s with Peter johns or similar or forget it , I had this very discussion last night with a couple of polish riders and they were telling me about kildermand who is a top rider but this year he has struggled to hit form not because he has become a bad rider but because his tuner who he used for a long time isn't one of the tuners who have found the magic touch and he is not the only rider by a long way and right there is the very thing speedway needs to get away from , it shouldnt matter who does the engine , as I said 12 or so years ago it didn't matter but the.current road is a dangerous road for the sport to go down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 THE real market for the GTR is 'bread and butter' riders who would be more than happy with its competitiveness and reliability and not having to try and get a tuner to squeeze a bit more speed out of it. Not having to spend unnecessary money over the course of a season would bring its own rewards. As for GP riders, sure they might try and improve it further but that would be a matter for them. Lindgren hasn't and hasn't seemed down on speed in GPs. The rest is up to him. Certainly some of his GP colleagues are taking a closer look but, at present, there is very limited availability of the engines. So Freddie is happy, he has agreed to NEVER get his tuned. But another GP rider does, he start gating like never before and winning GPs from nowhere so the other 13 regular GP riders get a Gerhard and get it tuned, they're all now on a par with that first guy but Freddie is left scoring 1 or 2 a GP. What does he do? Stick to his promise or suck it up so he can compete with the GP boys? But now 15 GP riders have these super fast bikes, that means the top 20-odd non-GP riders will need the same too so that they can compete in the league and stand a chance of making the GP series. What Gerhard has done is commendable but once someone gets one tuned and it goes faster everyone will have to do the same to keep up, thus eliminating the cost saving. I hope I'm wrong but unless the powers that be legislate against this engine being opened up or being changed from standard it'll happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I've seen Harris on one numerous times on sky. Not this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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