Gerhard Engine

[Lord Skid]

The oil system probably helps a little, but the major factor is the dust and crap sucked in through the air filter, which basically turns into grinding paste, added to the Blixt carb, which tends to flood the engine with neat fuel if not set up perfectly,there are too many variables to say how much an engine will cost to run.

Interesting how someone asked why no real information about the running costs of the GTR was available, miraculously a couple of days later Freddie's been heard to say, by the SS that it's cost x amount of euro's, obviously this Forum is the place to get answers right from the horses mouth.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

JUDGING by LIndgren's performance at BV tonight they don't need tuning. He says he has spent about 3,000 euros on five engines (general maintenance) this season and previously sometimes did only three meetings before a 1500 euro full service.

ok so if this is to be the way forward although jawa could produce something for 1/2 the price then rules need to be put in place so as you can only use holomagated parts (piston rod valves and springs )and no machining of those parts allowed , all porting has to be as standard design , standard flywheels set at a certain weight , choice of 2 cams , basically it has to stay a GTR engine , take out the tuners sourcing their own parts and fitting them , the tuning angle of the sport no matter how fascinating it is to some and I'm one is doing nothing for the sport at all ,the majority of fans don't care , speedway isn't a motorbike sport it's a team sport on bikes

[PHILIPRISING]

MARCEL Gerhard and his daughter, who runs the business, are hopeless at getting the message about the success of their product out to the public, as I and others have constantly been telling them and did so again in Torun.

 

Wolves boss Chris van Straaten confirmed to me last night along with Freddie how little he had spent on his engines this year and how well they had been performing without any major servicing or super tuning. On a big, fast track at BV he was unbeatable.

 

GTR needed a rider who could establish the engine's credentials and provide them with 'feed back' and perform at the highest level which Lindgren has and Chris Harris sadly couldn't on both counts.

 

There are other junior riders who can contest that they have used the GTR for a whole season now without problems or significant costs. Of course, they won't grab any headlines like Freddie but they are still doing the laps.

 

The problem for GTR now is whether, in the light of anticipated demand, they can actually produce sufficient engines to meet that demand.

 

So, to answer SCB's point, yes you can have fast and reliable.

[dabbsjoe]

MARCEL Gerhard and his daughter, who runs the business, are hopeless at getting the message about the success of their product out to the public, as I and others have constantly been telling them and did so again in Torun.

 

Wolves boss Chris van Straaten confirmed to me last night along with Freddie how little he had spent on his engines this year and how well they had been performing without any major servicing or super tuning. On a big, fast track at BV he was unbeatable.

 

GTR needed a rider who could establish the engine's credentials and provide them with 'feed back' and perform at the highest level which Lindgren has and Chris Harris sadly couldn't on both counts.

 

There are other junior riders who can contest that they have used the GTR for a whole season now without problems or significant costs. Of course, they won't grab any headlines like Freddie but they are still doing the laps.

 

The problem for GTR now is whether, in the light of anticipated demand, they can actually produce sufficient engines to meet that demand.

 

So, to answer SCB's point, yes you can have fast and reliable.

 

well you could always do a nice feature length article in the SS for them for a start.

 

could make an interesting read.

[foamfence]

ok so if this is to be the way forward although jawa could produce something for 1/2 the price then rules need to be put in place so as you can only use holomagated parts (piston rod valves and springs )and no machining of those parts allowed , all porting has to be as standard design , standard flywheels set at a certain weight , choice of 2 cams , basically it has to stay a GTR engine , take out the tuners sourcing their own parts and fitting them , the tuning angle of the sport no matter how fascinating it is to some and I'm one is doing nothing for the sport at all ,the majority of fans don't care , speedway isn't a motorbike sport it's a team sport on bikes

I agree about the tuners, the trouble is that while JAWA could build a cheaper rival to this, they and GM simply haven't bothered, if this kicks them into action, it's been a success, whether or not it sells or how many units.

[Shale Searcher]

I'm sure I heard somewhere that GM were producing a new engine, with similar reliability characteristics and costs as the GTR? So it would make sense for JAWA to follow suit, wouldn't it?

[Lord Skid]

So Freddie's wages are being cut accordingly by CVS, I take it? This enables Wolves to balance the books better, fair play, it works.

If GTR are so bad at marketing, which I doubt, as he is one of the top, but most expensive Tuners on the Long track/Grass track scene throughout the World, and everyone in the Sport knows him, he doesn't need the engine marketing, his problem is that Riders don't believe the claims being made.

Having just spoken to a PL/EL Rider, who has just ordered two Danish tuned GM's for 2017, he was just not willing to take the risk.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Lord Skid

[PHILIPRISING]

 

well you could always do a nice feature length article in the SS for them for a start.

 

could make an interesting read.

BEING arranged for early winter...

So Freddie's wages are being cut accordingly by CVS, I take it? This enables Wolves to balance the books better, fair play, it works.

THAT'S not for me to know but do know BSPA as a whole are seriously looking at ways to help riders cut costs and presumebly, as a result, their own

[Odds On]

PHILIPRISING, on 06 Oct 2016 - 11:28 AM, said:

BEING arranged for early winter...

THAT'S not for me to know but do know BSPA as a whole are seriously looking at ways to help riders cut costs and presumebly, as a result, their own

 

How about they start with looking at the various rules they have brought in over the years that have made riding more expensive, tyre deflectors and exhausts for starters?..

[speedibee]

 

How about they start with looking at the various rules they have brought in over the years that have made riding more expensive, tyre deflectors and exhausts for starters?..

One rule that needs to be put back firmly in place is the ban on titanium , why they ever repealed it god knows , the extra expense for the tiny advantage it gives is obsene ,

[PHILIPRISING]

 

How about they start with looking at the various rules they have brought in over the years that have made riding more expensive, tyre deflectors and exhausts for starters?..

NOT sure that was anything to do with the BSPA.

[Shale Searcher]

NOT sure that was anything to do with the BSPA.

The Titanium ban was lifted by the FIM, but I suppose the BSPA/SCB could have still kept the ban in place for League stuff, but, that would be incredibly difficult to monitor/police at meeting level....

 

There's only so much machine examiners can do without taking apart engines on race nights...

[Lord Skid]

Ban Dirt Deflectors, how many Meetings have they saved, as promised.

How many hundreds of thousands of pounds have they cost Riders.

They can't police big engines, carbs, dodgy fuel or drugs, so how do you expect them to detect Titanium?

Edited October 6, 2016 by Lord Skid

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Ban Dirt Deflectors, how many Meetings have they saved, as promised.

How many hundreds of thousands of pounds have they cost Riders.

They can't police big engines, carbs, dodgy fuel or drugs, so how do you expect them to detect Titanium?

I actually think if you balloted all riders about the dirt deflectors , they would vote 90% to scrap them but I would say that as I have an agender 🙄 Edited October 6, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[foamfence]

I actually think if you balloted all riders about the dirt deflectors , they would vote 90% to scrap them but I would say that as I have an agender

What do you think about hard compound tyres as a way of discouraging highly tuned motors?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

What do you think about hard compound tyres as a way of discouraging highly tuned motors?

in theory its a good idea but the reality of it is not , all that will happen is the tuners will have to re tune the engines to suit , different cams, flywheels ,maybe different heads etc just like what happened with the silencer change and the rider ends up paying again and yet again the tuner is the winner , what ever the idea the tuner input has to be reduced to servicing , its not easy because they will always find a little something but a nearly level playing field is better than the lop sided one that currently dictates speedway, if the hard tyre were introduced and for instance all riders had to use the GTR and all the parts were holomagated and no machine work to any part of the engine were allowed so basically the engine had to stay as it came out the factory then the hard tyre would work but with the current free for all on engines and tuning it would just be the tuners who benifit

Edited October 6, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[mudflaps]

Just give them all a couple of Honda 250's every season.... No servicing allowed..

 

That'll be an even playing field...

[sommelier]

It was meant to be sarcastic, do people actually believe, you can buy an engine, run it all year, be competitive, and it doesn't cost a penny until next winters service, must have gone to the Briggo school of PR, don't believe anything a Tuner and his top Rider spout off.

Might be nice to try a PJR cam in one, with a set of GM valve springs, then up the compression a bit, possibly put in a fancy German piston, it will happen, you just know it.

I am absolutely amazed at some of the comments on this thread regarding tuners. We can even go back to the JAP when the likes of Otto Lantenhammer made the JAP look unrecognisable just from the outside i.e. airpin valve springs Amal TT carburettor alloy barrel etc. Then when we come onto the Jawa two valve we had the likes of Guy Allot tuning for the likes of Olsen and Mauger so nothing is new with the modern day tuner

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

I am absolutely amazed at some of the comments on this thread regarding tuners. We can even go back to the JAP when the likes of Otto Lantenhammer made the JAP look unrecognisable just from the outside i.e. airpin valve springs Amal TT carburettor alloy barrel etc. Then when we come onto the Jawa two valve we had the likes of Guy Allot tuning for the likes of Olsen and Mauger so nothing is new with the modern day tuner

except the price of the tuning and its parts have rocketed in the last 10 years or so and speedway can no longer afford to subsidise it , so something has got to give , any better ideas than cut out the tuners ? Interesting to note too that Adam skornicki rode a German engine in the Olympic at wolves tonight and had a couple of race wins on it , the engine was a few years old too Edited October 11, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Shale Searcher]

except the price of the tuning and its parts have rocketed in the last 10 years or so and speedway can no longer afford to subsidise it , so something has got to give , any better ideas than cut out the tuners ? Interesting to note too that Adam skornicki rode a German engine in the Olympic at wolves tonight and had a couple of race wins on it , the engine was a few years old too

 

What "was" this German Engine?