Shale Searcher Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Are Freddies Gerhards still in (out the box) condition, or have they been in the hands of PJR or another tuner... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Are Freddies Gerhards still in (out the box) condition, or have they been in the hands of PJR or another tuner... No idea as to the state of tune , but regardless of there condition the money men are sweating , PJR ,ashtek , etc have probably clubbed together to buy one and had their heads together how to get 1% more out of it .so as to be able to charge extortion for some gold plated screws or something , It's an interesting point though whether it's out of the box . I also wonder If Gerhard has been going to meetings and giving some technical input like he did for a while with Harris, Maybe Freddie is Like Rossi and has the ability to know what works best himself Edited May 18, 2016 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 No idea as to the state of tune , but regardless of there condition the money men are sweating , PJR ,ashtek , etc have probably clubbed together to buy one and had their heads together how to get 1% more out of it .so as to be able to charge extortion for some gold plated screws or something , It's an interesting point though whether it's out of the box . I also wonder If Gerhard has been going to meetings and giving some technical input like he did for a while with Harris, Maybe Freddie is Like Rossi and has the ability to know what works best himself Anyone out there in the know on this issue ? If (Freddie Lindgrens) Gerhards are running straight out of the box, or wether or not any of the tuners have had their mits on them?? Anyone know?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Watching Harris on Saturday, he was actually quick, his last race in particular kept a very fast Janowski behind him. It's just his starting is so bad. He's literally giving the other riders 10 yards at the start every heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I don't think that Fred has a other tuner doing his GTR engines. In both Krsko and Warsaw GP's he had Marcel Gerhard (and Paul Knott) in the pitcrew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Watching Harris on Saturday, he was actually quick, his last race in particular kept a very fast Janowski behind him. It's just his starting is so bad. He's literally giving the other riders 10 yards at the start every heat. I disagree, far too often he gets into a scoring position and then loses it again. He was blaming his clutches on Saturday, I very much doubt that anyone who has worked on them would believe that. He just isn't hard enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) I agree he sometimes makes bad decisions in the corners too. But it's not a case of outright speed is all I'm saying. Edited May 18, 2016 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 to me .on Saturday he made some reasonable starts ,but then after 2 laps seemed to lose the will to keep battling , I have heard other top riders say he doesnt even sit on the bike right at the start , and Im pretty sure someone will have tried to help him before now but does he listen and take heed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 3 of his starts he was 10/15 yards behind as they reached the first bend. Certainly didnt help his cause.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 No idea as to the state of tune , but regardless of there condition the money men are sweating , PJR ,ashtek , etc have probably clubbed together to buy one and had their heads together how to get 1% more out of it .so as to be able to charge extortion for some gold plated screws or something , It's an interesting point though whether it's out of the box . I also wonder If Gerhard has been going to meetings and giving some technical input like he did for a while with Harris, Maybe Freddie is Like Rossi and has the ability to know what works best himselfMarcel has not been at Wolves this season nor was he at Kings Lynn which surprised me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 i think the gerhard engine has improved since last year, bomber said all clutches on 3 bikes were contaminated with something from the workshop, sounds like someone didnt check them properly when installing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 i think the gerhard engine has improved since last year, bomber said all clutches on 3 bikes were contaminated with something from the workshop, sounds like someone didnt check them properly when installing I know someone . who used chainsaw oil in the primary chain oiler . kept having problems with contaminated clutches because the centrifugal force flicked the oil onto the clutch plates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I know someone . who used chainsaw oil in the primary chain oiler . kept having problems with contaminated clutches because the centrifugal force flicked the oil onto the clutch plates Nothing wrong with chainsaw oil. Pi$$ poor preparation was probably the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Nothing wrong with chainsaw oil. Pi$$ poor preparation was probably the problem. Tell that to Ben Hopwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I know someone . who used chainsaw oil in the primary chain oiler . kept having problems with contaminated clutches because the centrifugal force flicked the oil onto the clutch plates Its logical to say that centrifugal force would flick any sort of oil onto the plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Its logical to say that centrifugal force would flick any sort of oil onto the plates. chainsaw oil gets flicked off the chain the air and the force stretch it out .like the sugar in a candy floss machine and when you are sitting at the start .engine revving full out and clutch plates are apart the strands go in the tiny gaps and contaminate the plates . normal oil is much lower viscosity and the centrifugal force throws it onto the chain guard . but hey what would I know . never been closer to a speedway bike than the keyboard of my computer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 chainsaw oil gets flicked off the chain the air and the force stretch it out .like the sugar in a candy floss machine and when you are sitting at the start .engine revving full out and clutch plates are apart the strands go in the tiny gaps and contaminate the plates . normal oil is much lower viscosity and the centrifugal force throws it onto the chain guard . but hey what would I know . never been closer to a speedway bike than the keyboard of my computer In 10 years of using chainsaw oil for the primary chain I have never had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 In 10 years of using chainsaw oil for the primary chain I have never had a problem. well with the old japs and the BSA 3 plate clutches I'm not surprised , the bike I had a look at though was a bit more modern ,and the plates looked like they had, had 20 minutes in the chip pan . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 I notice on Facebook and perhaps it has already been mentioned, but Trevor Hedge is a distributor of the Gerhard engine. Trevor Hedge is also a tuner. Does it mean this engine is no more 'out of the box/crate' than a GM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Trevor is importer and distributor so there is an outlet in the UK for them, that's all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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