Gerhard Engine

[OveFundinFan]

that's 26 Euros a meeting

 

Compared to the 700 Euros per meeting

 

On those figures I am surprised others have not jumped ship and gone to Gerhard. A good GP from Freddie at the next GP (Horsens) and maybe more will swop during the summer "break".

[IronScorpion]

CHIT chat around the Prague pits today .... Lindgren did 114 meetings last year and spent 3,000 euros on his engines and even some of that was unnecessary because he thought there might have been a problem in one but there wasn't.

 

Another SGP rider did 75 meetings and spent 35,000 euros ... another did around 100 and spent 70,000 euros.

A big price to pay not just on servicing but general running of an engine. In a GP, if a rider gets to the final, he will probably have had 3 or 4 oil changes.

 

A Gerhard has it's own oil pump & superior lubrication system with limited oil changes.

[PHILIPRISING]

It seems riders are also fleeing from PJR for other GM tuners

Is this down to cost or simply they're no longer "THE" engine tuner to have?

Who is doing Doyle's and the super fast Poles GP motors?

FLEMING Gravesen supplies Doyle's engines. He actually used three different bikes last night.

[scaramanga]

You are checked before the meeting, just change carbs for your first 3 races, then back to your legal carb for the end of meeting.

Always easier to cheat at Home, as you can always get the 'nod' from the machine examiner.

Four new edges per Meeting was always a favourite, punctures after a second ride was pure coincidence.

Always watch which Riders change bikes towards the end of a Meeting, with the first bike being put in the van.

i think most will know what your stating here isnt exactly as it happens

out of interest how much is a new gerhard engine and how much for a new gm before tunning

would be nice to see asort off low reserve get hold of 1 and see if it helps them

a bit like nathan geaves as he went pritty well at workington a few weeks ago wasnt that good when he rode for workington a couple of years ago

[SCB]

Blimey!!!

 

These Engine Tuners must be making a bloody fortune. :shock:

TBF I imagine a lost of the cost is parts. An engine turner can magic parts up from nothing and it's worn parts that slow engines down and need replacing when a bike is serviced.

[Ghostwalker]

Polish article about GTR Freddie and Nicki https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/693614/nicki-pedersen-ani-nikt-inny-nie-namiesza-we-wspolpracy-marcela-gerharda-z-fredr&usg=ALkJrhh7H8P827SyTMFHj61GBMe3EtAbIg

[HenryW]

Polish article about GTR Freddie and Nicki https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/693614/nicki-pedersen-ani-nikt-inny-nie-namiesza-we-wspolpracy-marcela-gerharda-z-fredr&usg=ALkJrhh7H8P827SyTMFHj61GBMe3EtAbIg

Am I reading that right, does the last paragraph say that Freddie got them to compromise reliability to improve performance? That sounds like the start of a slippery slope!

[False dawn]

Am I reading that right?

Well that's a very good question. Reading a "roughly" translated article is risky, at best. I could extract any "truth" from that, that I wanted.

Standby the forum truth seekers.

[Sings4Speedway]

Could be wrong but certainly looked like Jack Thomas blew his GTR up at Kent on Monday?

[waytogo28]

Am I reading that right, does the last paragraph say that Freddie got them to compromise reliability to improve performance? That sounds like the start of a slippery slope!

 

Reading the article as translated into English it does say that FL did ask for the fuel line filter to be taken out to increase performance. Yes it could be the start of a slippery slope. Take out or reduce the efficiency of the lev limiter would not make the GTR much different to what we have with other engine manufacturers, would it?

[speedibee]

 

Reading the article as translated into English it does say that FL did ask for the fuel line filter to be taken out to increase performance. Yes it could be the start of a slippery slope. Take out or reduce the efficiency of the lev limiter would not make the GTR much different to what we have with other engine manufacturers, would it?

taking the fuel filter out , does'nt affect the lev limit , don't think they have lev limiters on them anyway . depends more on how much Bleakfast you have had

[Agostina Gerhard]

The translation is quiet bad, I can't understand how they related FF performance with Nicki who had buy then a GTR? They got their injury/crash the same day or one day in between Its up to the rider to have one or two fuel tubes and some of them without filter inside. One of many things that belongs to how they want for their equipment, this is not depending on the engine manufakture. Nothing unusually. And FF has a rev. limiter on, the GTR works only with a rev. limiter. But a rev. limiter don't make the engine slower.

[neb]

 

Reading the article as translated into English it does say that FL did ask for the fuel line filter to be taken out to increase performance. Yes it could be the start of a slippery slope. Take out or reduce the efficiency of the lev limiter would not make the GTR much different to what we have with other engine manufacturers, would it?

I would think the only reason you would take the filter out would be so as the carb would fill up quicker as for a rev limiter they don't have them and why would you want one maybe it would benefit a junior but not the likes of fast fred he needs to go as fast as possible. yes I agree the last few days has been the start of a slippery slope,fred slipping straight back up the slope and back to where he was just before his injury banging in big points where ever he rides.

Edited June 15, 2017 by neb

[teaboy279]

Could be wrong but certainly looked like Jack Thomas blew his GTR up at Kent on Monday?

No Jack has been back on his GMs the last couple of meetings, and was a GM he blew up.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

I would think the only reason you would take the filter out would be so as the carb would fill up quicker as for a rev limiter they don't have them and why would you want one maybe it would benefit a junior but not the likes of fast fred he needs to go as fast as possible. yes I agree the last few days has been the start of a slippery slope,fred slipping straight back up the slope and back to where he was just before his injury banging in big points where ever he rides.

GTRs do have Rev limiters but they are rarely hit and hitting one during a race can be dangerous Edited June 15, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[waytogo28]

GTRs do have Rev limiters but they are rarely hit and hitting one during a race can be dangerous

 

I accept that it could be dangerous because I believe you. But in what way is dangerous and are riders on GTRs made fully aware of those dangers? Is it going to STOP as in if the pull cord comes out?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

 

I accept that it could be dangerous because I believe you. But in what way is dangerous and are riders on GTRs made fully aware of those dangers? Is it going to STOP as in if the pull cord comes out?

I should of said if you were to hit the limiter it would be dangerous because if you hit the limiter during a corner the bike will straighten up like hitting a rut but the limit is set at 13,100 I believe and even the top riders in the world only hit around 11,000 during a race so it doesn't really do anything except maybe on the start line, if your bike hits 13,000 during a race then your set up is wrong and your in danger of your tyre disintegrating after a couple of laps Edited June 16, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[CS18]

 

 

if your bike hits 13,000 during a race then your set up is wrong and your in danger of your tyre disintegrating after a couple of laps

I would be worrying more about the engine disintegrating, than the tyre @13100RPM.

[Vince]

Plenty of modern single cylinder engines rev over 13000rpm with no problems.

[CS18]

Plenty of modern single cylinder engines rev over 13000rpm with no problems.

Sure they do, but we are talking about Speedway engines and those do not.