SCB Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Can someone explain how Adam Ellis is top and Paul Starke is second while James Sarjeant is still only 5th? He has a higher average than any 2nd tier draft rider in both the EL and the PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Can you tell me where have you found the grading lists from my man so that I can have a gander/butchers at them. BSPA site. under averages http://www.speedwaygb.co/files/downloads/e15_issue_9.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Don't know how Lewis Rose is so high as having a poor season in both leagues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Can someone explain how Adam Ellis is top and Paul Starke is second while James Sarjeant is still only 5th? He has a higher average than any 2nd tier draft rider in both the EL and the PL. Neil Vatcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Neil Vatcher That was my thinking. Lakeside manager with strong links to Poole. But as has just been pointed out to me, the June list is the same as the May list - it's probably a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_O Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Can someone explain how Adam Ellis is top and Paul Starke is second while James Sarjeant is still only 5th? He has a higher average than any 2nd tier draft rider in both the EL and the PL. EL averages; Adam Ellis 4.60 Paul Starke 3.00 Lewis Rose 2.67 Simon Lambert 3.11 James Sarjeant 5.29 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 New list has both Bees as number 1 in their respective lists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 New list has both Bees as number 1 in their respective lists How could this be.Thought the top reserves were based on their PL averages.Or is this now being changed to suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 How could this be.Thought the top reserves were based on their PL averages.Or is this now being changed to suit. Just looked and all draft riders are ordered by EL average. It's only take 1 year and 2 months but they got there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Just looked and all draft riders are ordered by EL average. It's only take 1 year and 2 months but they got there! Oh well.So this now makes a mockery of how the picks were done at the start of the season then.As i would assume the orders would have been totally different.Poole come up smelling of roses again,as would assume Newman would have been in the top 2 of picks instead of the lowly pick he was placed at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Come on people you all know the FDR is done with the intent of helping young British riders & nothing to do with which club they ride for:-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Oh well.So this now makes a mockery of how the picks were done at the start of the season then.As i would assume the orders would have been totally different.Poole come up smelling of roses again,as would assume Newman would have been in the top 2 of picks instead of the lowly pick he was placed at. Newman is a Poole asset so why would be not have been chosen by them.......................like Adam Ellis, Lewis Kerr he was a protected rider............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Newman is a Poole asset so why would be not have been chosen by them.......................like Adam Ellis, Lewis Kerr he was a protected rider............. RP Not saying you wouldn't have picked Newman,but if he was further up the list as he would have been.you wouldn't have got second pick of the second set of riders.So no doubt wouldn't have got Starke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Newman is a Poole asset so why would be not have been chosen by them.......................like Adam Ellis, Lewis Kerr he was a protected rider............. RP For some reason, I was of the impression, you were quite jenned up on what was going on, But from that comment above I was obviously wrong........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Newman is a Poole asset so why would be not have been chosen by them.......................like Adam Ellis, Lewis Kerr he was a protected rider............. RP As Newman was low down on the list you had an earlier pick for the 2nd round of the draft. I'm still shocked we managed to get Sarjeant. For me he was likely to be the number 1 2nd draft pick by the end of the season especially as he had a PL place too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 As Newman was low down on the list you had an earlier pick for the 2nd round of the draft. I'm still shocked we managed to get Sarjeant. For me he was likely to be the number 1 2nd draft pick by the end of the season especially as he had a PL place too. I think Swindon could have had him as we picked before you. The fact we didn't makes me wonder what went on behind closed doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Or maybe Rosco just thought Rose was a better option. Not unreasonable on their form last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Or maybe Rosco just thought Rose was a better option. Not unreasonable on their form last year. I think based on last season, Sarjeant & Rose looked the strongest options. When I saw that we had 5th pick in the tier 2 after Lakeside, Wolves, Poole, Swindon, I was convinced that we would lose Sarjeant but luckily Bates,Starke & Rose got selected by those teams instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 The farce of this year's pick was to use PL averages for the grading, when most had a more relevant EL average and to allow clubs to keep an existing rider even if he wasn't an asset. Coventry were allowed to protect Garrity, so were able to gain a double advantage merely because they finished bottom in 2013. This year Leicester should have been able to pick him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Good point made by Jon Cook at the Fans Forum last night: Draft riders should have their averages taken into account for 1-5 team building, with the points limit varying accordingly. Really good idea considering some riders are protected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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