customhouseregular Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Whether or not the name is inappropriate is a matter of personal opinion.the British Olympic Team has been known aus Team GB for years, and that's where it all springs from. The days are gone when riders like Ken McKinlaty could have a career that included riding for England, Scotland, Great Britain, thr British Lions, and various others. We now live in a corporate world and if that means speedwáy has to adopt a common brand to gain a few extra crumbs of help it wouldn't otherwise have had, so be it. It could be worse. If your predictions are correct we could soon have our national team riding as the "Sons of Islam" or some such identity, but if Sport England (or the Sports Council as it was known before the world went mad) can pull a few strings behind the scenes to help Belle Vue, Swindon, and hopefully Lakeside and Coventry to find new homes, then bring it it on. Every little helps. It's certainly not worth getting into a huff about. oh EIA...who was Ken McKinlaty? you have offended this old hammer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Rob, I think you missed the point. I was merely illustrating the inconsistency and lack of logic, as SCB rightly noted. The term "Great Britain" is no less of a political entity than "United Kingdom" as it refers to the composite of the three geographical regions of England, Scotland and Wales. Great Britain is not a political entity. It's the name of the island. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Please can anyone let me know which riders have Welsh, Scottish or even English Passports? If any do then please lets have individual teams, otherwise leave it alone and get on with it as Great Britain. As for England, we must be the most un patriotic country that exists, unlike the Irish, Scottish and Welsh who fervently celebrate their National Days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Ok I started following Team GB during the Olympics on twitter and since that time I have noticed any team that uses the hash tag team GB gets promoted on Twitter and Facebook, could this not be a benefit in making non supporters aware of the sport. That must be a benefit PS I voted NO before anybody starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Great Britain is not a political entity. It's the name of the island. All the best Rob We will have to agree to disagree on that point, Rob, as you clearly have a different take on the history of the country than I have. However, surely not even you could argue that Northern Ireland is not a political entity, so the earlier point I made is still valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) You actually live on an island called Great Britain. There is no country called Great Britain, although there is a speedway team representing the constituent geopolitical divisions of the island. I do agree with you about 'Team GB' though. True - if a trifle pedantic. I think you know what I meant. I still 'Liked' your Post though. Edited May 21, 2015 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 If we are to be pedantic, should it not be TeamUK?. We live in the UK, I am a UK citizen and hold a UK passport (I think). Great Britain is a constituent part of the United Kingdom, as is England relative to Great Britain. Therefore it makes as much sense to call the National team England as it does Great Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 If we are to be pedantic, should it not be TeamUK?. We live in the UK, I am a UK citizen and hold a UK passport (I think). Great Britain is a constituent part of the United Kingdom, as is England relative to Great Britain. Therefore it makes as much sense to call the National team England as it does Great Britain. As explained previously, the team represents the British ACU who are not responsible for Northern Ireland, so the UK would be incorrect...all a bit messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 It was Great Britain. It is TeamGB. Why the hell did they change it in the first place? :mad: Change for change sake is never a good idea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Why the hell did they change it in the first place? :mad: Was it changed when the BSPA sold out it's licencing rights to Terry Russell? http://www.gospeed.co.uk/about-us Edited May 22, 2015 by pugwash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) It was Great Britain. It is TeamGB. Why the hell did they change it in the first place? :mad: Change for change sake is never a good idea. Officially, I think you'll find it's still Great Britain, just as it has been ever since 1960. Team GB is just used by the media and for promotional purposes. Here's one to get your head around TWK. Although referred to by press, riders and fans as England, the national team was still officially Great Britain between 1974 and 2000. Effectively the qualifying round of the World Team Cup determined who went on to represent Great Britain later in the competition. Australia had independence from the British ACU by the time they won the WTC in 1976. But New Zealand didn't have independence from the British ACU until around 1984 or 1985. So officially did Great Britain win the WTC in 1979 with a team of New Zealanders? All the best Rob Edited May 22, 2015 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Wouldn't happen in any other sport would it? You wouldn't have an Irish rugby team comprising of players from Ireland and part of the UK. And in cricket when did West Indies become a sovereign state? And have a look at the make up of the UAE team in the recent cricket world cup - predominantly Pakistani. It really isn't worth getting worked up about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Wouldn't happen in any other sport would it? You wouldn't have an Irish rugby team comprising of players from Ireland and part of the UK. And in cricket when did West Indies become a sovereign state? And have a look at the make up of the UAE team in the recent cricket world cup - predominantly Pakistani. It really isn't worth getting worked up about. To some of us - it is. I simply cannot understand what was wrong with Great Britain. It served us well for years and then some idiot on the Speedway hierarchy decided to call us TeamGB, a total bloody nonsense. Absolutely no sense of History or Tradition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 And in cricket when did West Indies become a sovereign state? Well to be something of pendant, there was a short-lived autonomous West Indies federated state between 1958 and 1962, although the cricket team predated it (although it also has to be said the Australian cricket team predated Australia as a political entity by some years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Wouldn't happen in any other sport would it? You wouldn't have an Irish rugby team comprising of players from Ireland and part of the UK. And in cricket when did West Indies become a sovereign state? And have a look at the make up of the UAE team in the recent cricket world cup - predominantly Pakistani. It really isn't worth getting worked up about. Imagine Ian's horror if he was a Chelsea supporter. His life would be taken over trying to get them re named. Just picking the name of a nearby borough, how ridiculous, no wonder that sport isn't taken seriously by the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Well to be something of pendant, there was a short-lived autonomous West Indies federated state between 1958 and 1962, although the cricket team predated it (although it also has to be said the Australian cricket team predated Australia as a political entity by some years). Are you hanging about like? :shock: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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