weatherwatcher Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 It is bad enough when clubs are having to find riders to cover, for genuine injured riders. But no way should this be allowed to be practiced, when a riders is fit to race, if Magic rides in Sweden, then the B.P.S.A should step in and start asking a few questions, not only about Magic, but also other clubs who are using guests, when riders are fully fit to race. It is now time for the B.P.S.A to come out of its shell and start getting a little bit nasty and handing out a few fines and also banning these so called un fit riders. The clubs who do this should be brought to task also, if found that they are using geusts when there is no reason for it, either take away the points from the said meeting or ban the clubs doing this for a couple of weeks. If this was done then you would soon see the riders back in action again very soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Squad systems are too expensive and difficult to manage at short notice.. Guests don't , and never have, bothered me...and that's regardless of circumstances....I always felt cheated as a fan if the opposition turned up with a no hope junior instead of a top rider....I'd sooner see a competitive guest any day of the week ..give me a competitive meeting with good races rather than somebody tailed off every race because of some "ruling".......it's all about entertainment to me at the end of the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 If a doctor has signed a rider off as unfit to race on a particular day, that has to be accepted. No-one at the BSPA is qualified to argue against the medics. And a rider that is signed off to ride Monday before he even races on the Sunday? ? Corrupt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 And a rider that is signed off to ride Monday before he even races on the Sunday? ? Corrupt. I believe I covered that in my earlier post. I can imagine scenarios where this could be entirely valid. I couldn't comment on the details of this case, but if there is a valid medical certificate provided for today then I don't think there is much that can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I believe I covered that in my earlier post. I can imagine scenarios where this could be entirely valid.I couldn't comment on the details of this case, but if there is a valid medical certificate provided for today then I don't think there is much that can be done. There can be no valid reason that a sick note be issued before a rider rides for 24 hrs later. No valid reason whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 It is bad enough when clubs are having to find riders to cover, for genuine injured riders. But no way should this be allowed to be practiced, when a riders is fit to race, if Magic rides in Sweden, then the B.P.S.A should step in and start asking a few questions, not only about Magic, but also other clubs who are using guests, when riders are fully fit to race. It is now time for the B.P.S.A to come out of its shell and start getting a little bit nasty and handing out a few fines and also banning these so called un fit riders. The clubs who do this should be brought to task also, if found that they are using geusts when there is no reason for it, either take away the points from the said meeting or ban the clubs doing this for a couple of weeks. If this was done then you would soon see the riders back in action again very soon. The BSPA would rather do something petty like fine a rider for coming out in the wrong helmet colour,than to grow some balls and fine/ban the pi*stakers. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I believe I covered that in my earlier post. I can imagine scenarios where this could be entirely valid. I couldn't comment on the details of this case, but if there is a valid medical certificate provided for today then I don't think there is much that can be done. Of course there isn't it - and Poole wouldn't get a facility if they didn't have a valid medical certificate. The only thing we as punters can do is walk away - and thousands have. The rule book has always been manipulated, but I think the few remaining speedway followers are now more clued up than they used to be about the various abuses. The "fit to ride the big Polish tracks, but not the tight British ones" is a fairly new manipulation though that seems to be gaining popularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hilarious. Skidder was just on one of his fishing trips.. He does this when he has no defence, but he can't bring himself to show any criticism of Lord Ford. Sorry, have I missed the statement of criticism from BSPA MC member Chris Van Stratten??! No, I didn't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Only for small tracks, and only if the birth is in the EU, to EU parents. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 When is the new rule been implemented regarding maternity leave for speedway riders. Can R/R or guests be used to cover such events. Well as we have no female speedway riders I'd be amazed as maternity leave being allowed But I guess technically if you had a female rider and she got pregnant, being pregnant is a pretty damn good reason reason to allow a facility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Well as we have no female speedway riders I'd be amazed as maternity leave being allowed But I guess technically if you had a female rider and she got pregnant, being pregnant is a pretty damn good reason reason to allow a facility Are creches going to be mandatory at every speedway. (That's creches, not crashes- for our Ashington folk up here) Edited May 19, 2015 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I have said for years that a squad system should be introduced...................trouble is everyone has shouted me down about it and now here you all are singing its praises....................funny how some people change their tune about an idea as soon as something like this comes to light............ It would also do away with the need for guests and rider replacement................but of course that is wrong too I guess............. RP People get shouted down because they keep going on about squad systems but so far no one has come up with one that would work in the UK . Explain to me how if a number 1 say is missing how he is replaced and by who by in a manner that won't cost money and will stop the crowds numbers falling . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Sorry, have I missed the statement of criticism from BSPA MC member Chris Van Stratten??! No, I didn't think so. Pathetic attempt once again Skidder to cover up your biased drivel. Unlike you, I show no bias when it comes to my own club and dishing out criticism where it is valid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) People get shouted down because they keep going on about squad systems but so far no one has come up with one that would work in the UK . Explain to me how if a number 1 say is missing how he is replaced and by who by in a manner that won't cost money and will stop the crowds numbers falling . Don't teams have a number 8? If so, just pop them in at reserve and bump up everyone the order, it's not hard. "Oh no that might mean that a second string has to ride as 3rd heat leader" Big deal, that's the rub, I'm pretty sure a plucky second string rider like Chris Holder or Davey Watt or Peter Karlsson could step up........ : ) Edited May 19, 2015 by pointsmeanplayoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Don't teams have a number 8? If so, just pop them in at reserve and bump up everyone the order, it's not hard. "Oh no that might mean that a second string has to ride as 3rd heat leader" Big deal, that's the rub, I'm pretty sure a plucky second string rider like Chris Holder or Davey Watt or Peter Karlsson could step up........ : ) And of course they would affect the crowd numbers ..I guess when it's not your money it's not a big deal ...this is the trouble with speedway you have to find a balance of having rules while keeping the crowd numbers up ..it's not easy and as I said no one found the answer when it comes to squad systems . Edited May 19, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Don't teams have a number 8? If so, just pop them in at reserve and bump up everyone the order, it's not hard. "Oh no that might mean that a second string has to ride as 3rd heat leader" Big deal, that's the rub, I'm pretty sure a plucky second string rider like Chris Holder or Davey Watt or Peter Karlsson could step up........ : ) So you think it's a good idea to replace someone like Puk on a 9 point average with a 3 pointer. Meaning Lynn lose 6 points and the opposition gain 6 before a wheel has been turned. Then take into account that every one of your riders is going to be a level below the oppositions so they're more likely to finish behind them each heats. You're basically setting a team up for a 60-30 loss. It's not like most sports where you can score against the run of play. In speedway you're constantly scoring points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I know I said that I had no problem with guests in speedway, and in principle I don't as it's an entertainment business at the end of the day and fans deserve 2 competitive teams going head to head...... But..reading the Janowski situation is just ridiculous and you can't say you are fit to ride a big track but not fit to ride a small track...you are either fit to ride speedway or you are not....if you are not then you don't ride anywhere and a guest comes in......end of story. Plenty of riders like big tracks and hate small tracks...plenty like small tracks and hate big tracks....tough...you cannot risk a situation whereby riders suddenly pull out of tracks they don't like to be replaced by a track specialist and then , hey presto, they are suddenly fit again for a track that they quite like....that is cheating and at best just looks dodgy.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Before the days of doubling up you could have a good number 8. For example, if Nick morris wanted to ride in the PL he could be Swindon's number 8. In those circumstances it would work, but all the bet PL riders are also in the EL anyway in the teams, so it's not possible. I remember Andrew Silver as Swindon's number 8 while he was at Arena Essex, and used to lok forward to the times he came into the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 So you think it's a good idea to replace someone like Puk on a 9 point average with a 3 pointer. Meaning Lynn lose 6 points and the opposition gain 6 before a wheel has been turned. Then take into account that every one of your riders is going to be a level below the oppositions so they're more likely to finish behind them each heats. You're basically setting a team up for a 60-30 loss. It's not like most sports where you can score against the run of play. In speedway you're constantly scoring points. Kenneth would replace Niels Rory replace Kenneth Robert replaces Rory Nicklas replaces Robert Lewis replaces Nicklas Ash replaces Lewis Tom Stokes steps up to cover Ash. Yes the team is weaker, but THAT SHOULD DISSUADE TEAMS FROM TRYING TO FIDDLE THE SYSTEM. In the rare occasions when someone misses a flight, or is genuinely sick, then maybe the remaining riders will step up to see if they can cover him? I'd still turn up to see my weakened team of underdogs try?!? Gives a young local lad a chance too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 It seems the last few seasons have got far worse with the use of guest riders, don't get me wrong it has always happened, but not to the extent it is now. It seems that if a rider has broken a finger nail, then he drops out of a meeting and they usually bring in another rider that rides the track they are at or if the track conditions at home don't suit them. The promoter have to carry some of the blame for allowing riders to carry on like this or is it the promoter that drops the rider for those chosen meeting. Time the B.P.S.A started wrapping a few nuckles, before it gets totally out of hand. Ok when it actually calls for a guest when a rider is injured and I mean injured, not the broken finger nails, then that is what has to be. A club can only afford to carry so many riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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