Star Lady Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Poole being granted a facility at BV for Janowski is a farce, a blight on the sport and an abuse of a necessary rule. There must be a simple way to stp this. On the match thread I have suggested if an "injured" rider rides anywhere within 3 days all points scored by the facility be removed. Obviously if a rider has been out for a week or more and is coming back from a genuine injury discretion has to be used. One other suggestion - a facility at an away meeting is only granted up to the average the replaced rider has achieved at the track concerned . Neither suggestion is perfect but something has to be done before even more fans turn their backs on what was once a sport but is fast becoming a farce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 No different to lovass many years ago or dryml when oxford won the title or young lambert at Peterborough this season and many others in all clubs in all British leagues over the years but because it's poole its a crime of the century and until we have squads or shared places ( ironically what ford has proposed many times) all teams will use the facility available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Doesn't really matter which clubs are involved though does it, it needs sorting out. This case appears to stand out because it seems the sicknote may have been issued before he rode yesterday. I'm sure its only a coincidence that Poole seem to be involved in 90% of British speedway's controversy but as Star Lady says eventually so many people will have walked away that there won't be enough left for the sport to function. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Just a thought...They could always introduce a squad system instead of teams relying on hundreds of guest appearances every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Just a thought...They could always introduce a squad system instead of teams relying on hundreds of guest appearances every year. Agreed Henners, long overdue. Let clubs declare 10-12 riders and then they can please themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Just a thought...They could always introduce a squad system instead of teams relying on hundreds of guest appearances every year. I've long advocated a squad system of sorts. EL teamed up with a PL team who in turn are teamed up with a NL team. Fix a points limit and teams can use any combination of riders from within those 3 teams as long as they are under the limit. More consistency for the fans, a natural route of progression for riders and no big retainers for little used members of squads. Of course it would need the asset system sorting out but that's easy - abolish it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Let's not get distracted with new rules etc, that's a discussion for another thread. This is once again a blatant case of cheating from Poole speedway who have been involved in such antics season after season after season. The excuse that some have peddled that Janowski was forced to ride in Poland doesn't wash. Damn right he should have been forced to ride, he's signed a contract with his Polish team and is fit to race. Exactly the same principle applies with Poole. However, as long as British teams roll over and just accept this, it will continue to happen more and more. Simply tell the rider he has to race here, if he doesn't he's banned. If it means less riders sign to ride over here so be it, we should only be accepting the committed ones. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Let's not get distracted with new rules etc, that's a discussion for another thread. I thought this was a new thread I used the Poole event as an example but there have been many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Let's not get distracted with new rules etc, that's a discussion for another thread. This is once again a blatant case of cheating from Poole speedway who have been involved in such antics season after season after season. The excuse that some have peddled that Janowski was forced to ride in Poland doesn't wash. Damn right he should have been forced to ride, he's signed a contract with his Polish team and is fit to race. Exactly the same principle applies with Poole. However, as long as British teams roll over and just accept this, it will continue to happen more and more. Simply tell the rider he has to race here, if he doesn't he's banned. If it means less riders sign to ride over here so be it, we should only be accepting the committed ones. There you go again BW - assuming!! How do you know what sort of contract Janowski has signed for Poole? Apart from getting injured at Coventry, he's only ridden home meetings and away EL meetings at big tracks ie. KL and Swindon! Edited May 18, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) I thought this was a new thread I used the Poole event as an example but there have been many others. Correct, my point is, there should be a punishment for it and a stand taken. Edited May 18, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 There you go again BW - assuming!! How do you know what sort of contract Janowski has signed for Poole? Apart from getting injured at Coventry, he's only ridden home meetings and away EL meetings at big tracks ie. KL and Swindon! So he's on the kind of contract which allows him to pick and choose his meetings in order to massage his average then? Marvellous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 There you go again BW - assuming!! How do you know what sort of contract Janowski has signed for Poole? Apart from getting injured at Coventry, he's only ridden home meetings and away EL meetings at big tracks ie. KL and Swindon! Hilarious. So he's on the kind of contract which allows him to pick and choose his meetings in order to massage his average then? Marvellous. Skidder was just on one of his fishing trips.. He does this when he has no defence, but he can't bring himself to show any criticism of Lord Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) So he's on the kind of contract which allows him to pick and choose his meetings in order to massage his average then? Marvellous. Possibly he has and possibly, aj at lakeside, hansen at Workington, lambert at pboro. I take you are going to include them and many others this year and in the past. How many times have olly allen ritchie hawkins etc missed meetings at certain tracks. Edited May 18, 2015 by brewer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I thought this was a new thread I used the Poole event as an example but there have been many others. The problem is Star Lady some people only want to talk about one thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Possibly he has and possibly, aj at lakeside, hansen at Workington, lambert at pboro. I take you are going to include them and many others this year and in the past. How many times have olly allen ritchie hawkins etc missed meetings at certain tracks. The Lambert at Peterborough one is similar, they seem to be protecting his average too but Hansen has been absent through fixture clashes and Worky have been punished by using a three pointer. However if Magic rides in Sweden tomorrow that makes this one even worse. It won't happen as our governing body is too weak but as Star Lady says forcing riders to sit out for a period of time as a result of injury and altering their average accordingly when they miss matches at certain tracks might weed out those taking the Michael. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 We already have the correct facility, it just needs applying! No one expects a rider to miss a GP that isn't fully fit. We all get that they are chasing a dream. But league racing is the bread and butter for all riders. Every club wants their rider fit for action, so if he can ride in Poland the day after a GP he is clearly fit enough to race in ALL other league competitions. The facility is clear. If he can't ride in the UK when fit on Sunday then a club either takes a 28 day ban for the rider and uses GUESTS OR they use a PL 6 pointer instead. The rule looks clear to me! What sticks in the throat more is that he was given a sicknote and guest facility BEFORE he had ridden in Poland. That is pure scandalous and needs an investigation how and why this was allowed in the first place. I couldn't care less what club it is/was. Let's apply the rules fairly to all. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 We already have the correct facility, it just needs applying!I would suggest that we don't have the correct facility. Guests are a terrible solution and they are a solution that allows exactly this type of manipulation. Every club wants their rider fit for action, so if he can ride in Poland the day after a GP he is clearly fit enough to race in ALL other league competitions. The facility is clear. If he can't ride in the UK when fit on Sunday then a club either takes a 28 day ban for the rider and uses GUESTS OR they use a PL 6 pointer instead. The rule looks clear to me! That is not necessarily a true statement. I have no specific knowledge of the medical details in this particular case but I can certainly imagine scenarios where an injury may require regular rest days. Racing one or two days in a row may be OK but pushing it beyond that without rest could be too much. Again, I am not suggesting that this is the case with Janowski, just that it IS possible in some cases. Making a sweeping generalisation that if you are fit one day you must be fit the next day is far from accurate. If a doctor has signed a rider off as unfit to race on a particular day, that has to be accepted. No-one at the BSPA is qualified to argue against the medics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Whatever the in's and out of the medical situation, I am in no doubt, that had Poole been down to ride at Lynn tonight, Janowski would have ridden. Clearly a case of picking the tracks you want to ride and those not to........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Just a thought...They could always introduce a squad system instead of teams relying on hundreds of guest appearances every year. Where will all these riders come from? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I have said for years that a squad system should be introduced...................trouble is everyone has shouted me down about it and now here you all are singing its praises....................funny how some people change their tune about an idea as soon as something like this comes to light............ It would also do away with the need for guests and rider replacement................but of course that is wrong too I guess............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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