kbt Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 a straightforward question,following the nasty accident to Simon Stead and all the other goings on,how long can Sheffield use a guest to replace Simon,is it all season,or is there a time limit,I know they got 28 days grace for Procter,just wondered how is was for Steady? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 For all the time he is injured. And technically, they should have no facility for Proctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Technically it depends where the blame lies?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Technically it depends where the blame lies?!Surely the blame exclusively lies with Sheffield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 And technically, they should have no facility for Proctor. Surely that's covered by Reg. 16.5.2 that allows the BSPA Management Committee to grant a 28-day facility at its discretion? Sheffield might be idiots in signing a rider that knew potentially couldn't do the whole season, but idiocy has never prevented the granting of a facility before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Surely that's covered by Reg. 16.5.2 that allows the BSPA Management Committee to grant a 28-day facility at its discretion? Sheffield might be idiots in signing a rider that knew potentially couldn't do the whole season, but idiocy has never prevented the granting of a facility before. 16.5.2 just says that if rider is declared in a team you can have a facility for him - eg you sign a rider in February but he break his arm practicing in March then you can have a facility for a month but only because injury is listed in 16.5.1 (the list of reasons an facility is allowed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 And technically, they should have no facility for Proctor. You keep saying this can I ask you where you have got the full facts of this case from, who is your source? just so we can all be as certain as you whos fault it is and therefore why a facility shouldn't be granted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 You keep saying this can I ask you where you have got the full facts of this case from, who is your source? just so we can all be as certain as you whos fault it is and therefore why a facility shouldn't be granted Refer above.If Sheffield got written exemption from ukvi from the visa criteria then its not their fault. The absence of an appeal indicates this is not the case. Therefore it seems the fault is Sheffield. Don't see how u can think differently,? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 16.5.2 just says that if rider is declared in a team you can have a facility for him - eg you sign a rider in February but he break his arm practicing in March then you can have a facility for a month but only because injury is listed in 16.5.1 (the list of reasons an facility is allowed) I'm not sure that's how I read the regulation. However, the catch-all is normally 'rider withholding their services'.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I'm not sure that's how I read the regulation. However, the catch-all is normally 'rider withholding their services'..A rider without a work permit is not withholding his services! Quite the opposite! You keep saying this can I ask you where you have got the full facts of this case from, who is your source? just so we can all be as certain as you whos fault it is and therefore why a facility shouldn't be granted Rule 16.5.2 doesn't say you can have a facility for a rider without a work permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Quite the opposite!Rule 16.5.2 doesn't say you can have a facility for a rider without a work permit. Have you not realised by now, that speedway makes the rules up as it goes along? What other sport has complicated rules covering situations were riders don't turn up? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 To give an example to the original question, years ago Stoke signed Neville Tatum on an 11 point average at the start of the season. He rode 1 meeting, got injured, didn't race for us again and we had our pick of guests for the season. Best signing we ever made 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 To give an example to the original question, years ago Stoke signed Neville Tatum on an 11 point average at the start of the season. He rode 1 meeting, got injured, didn't race for us again and we had our pick of guests for the season. Best signing we ever made Blimey, what year was that ?.....when did Neville Tatum ever warrant an 11 point average ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Blimey, what year was that ?.....when did Neville Tatum ever warrant an 11 point average ! I have a recollection it was an assessed average, after dropping down from the BL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I have a recollection it was an assessed average, after dropping down from the BL. Aaahhhhh yes. The British League. Happy Memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I have a recollection it was an assessed average, after dropping down from the BL. Yes I'd say it obviously must have been, although I cannot remember Neville ever having a high enough British League average to convert to an 11 when dropping down.....I never thought he was as good as that !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Yes I'd say it obviously must have been, although I cannot remember Neville ever having a high enough British League average to convert to an 11 when dropping down.....I never thought he was as good as that !! I thought he had one reasonable season in the BL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Did Neville ever has a short spell in the EL? It's not impossible that at the end of one season he got 5.5 from 6 meetings in the EL in the late 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Did Neville ever has a short spell in the EL? It's not impossible that at the end of one season he got 5.5 from 6 meetings in the EL in the late 90s. That's what I recall. Think he might have been with Eastbourne. Edited May 19, 2015 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 That's what I recall. Think he might have been with Eastbourne. Here you go. http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/2886 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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