El 2nd Strings - Average Reduction?

[TheCookster]

A rider averaging 7 as a second string is performing worse than a heat leader averaging 6 so I see no issue with a system which would reflect that.

 

Sorry, I don't get that at all. Surely all it shows is that the second string with the higher average than the other team's heat leader is simply riding for a team that has a stronger, more successful top end.

Edited May 16, 2015 by TheCookster

[TheCookster]

Colour key for this illustration Red Heat Leaders Blue Second Strings Yellow EDR or Reserves. Please note these are not riders helmet colours.

First heat match ups are old thirteen heat format plus one extra reserve race and nominated heat.

Second heat match ups on the right is the current format.

With colour it is easy to see which heats and pairings that seem to be unbalanced. Some heats from old format and present format can be cancelled out.

Not saying that either format is right or wrong but old format seems a bit better balanced out with no need to have a points deduction. Therefore averages should be that more easy to calculate.

 

Can anyone explain to me why there is a need to have a 20% reduction from all second string riders in this example.

7point average rider with 20% reduction would have an average of 5.60. 4point average rider with 20% reduction would have an average of 3.20.

Why should the 7point rider have a more points reduction than the 4point rider using a %.

Surely it would be better to take a point or two equally of all second string riders 16 of them at the moment.

 

Now if you open the gap between heat leaders and second string riders then does that not make a mockery of second string riders moving above heat leaders in the averages ie in the case of Joonas Kylmakorpi and Danny King at Coventry. And also Chris Holder at Poole dropping from the top of there averages to fourth. If you open the points gap up then would that mean that heat leaders and second strings would have to stay in there respective riding positions all season long without no movement?. Again how do you decide which points in the averages are as a heat leader or second string.

Seems to be more questions than answers in my view with this at the moment.

 

 

 

Absolutely! As I said in my original post on this topic (#3) the proposal by Matt Ford strikes me as being very messy and potentially riddled with inconsistencies.

 

Over the course of a full season averages give a reasonably accurate picture of the riders' performances relative to the other riders they competed in the same league with. To start trying to deliberately tinker with those averages strikes me as inviting more problems than you would ever solve, some of which have already been highlighted by posters on here.

 

Presumably, the promoters who voted this down would have done so, because they were also aware of the problems it would create, so in this instance I think they made the right decision.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Presumably, the promoters who voted this down would have done so, because they were also aware of the problems it would create, so in this instance I think they made the right decision.

I doubt they're that astute. Probably just didn't understand the proposal.

[SteveLyric2]

I doubt they're that astute. Probably just didn't understand the proposal.

They at least thought they understood it as they increased the team building limit by 2 points as the best alternative?!?

[The White Knight]

This Thread is too complicated for me. :blink: