BWitcher Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Garrity to guest for a heat leader? You gotta be joking! Better than some of the riders that have been suggested in places! And 100 times better than booking Howarth at Kings Lynn.. Not that it's allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 what about sam on 28 day cover only joking but cant we sign a rider to cover for 28 days some one like sam masters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) Garrity to guest for a heat leader? You gotta be joking! Around Wolves absolutely not. Can beat anyone round there and was beating Wolves heat leaders consistently last season. Shame for you it's not allowed. Edited May 15, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Musielak looks as if he has potential but he is currently averaging just over 4. It can't be hard to find a guest who can achieve that but as has been said, r/r is a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Its r/r for home meetings and a 'suitable' guest for away meetings according to the SS, in the hope that Musielak is back quicker than anticipated!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Around Wolves absolutely not. Can beat anyone round there and was beating Wolves heat leaders consistently last season. Shame for you it's not allowed. Sorry, but Garrity is not EL heatleader quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_O Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Better than some of the riders that have been suggested in places! And 100 times better than booking Howarth at Kings Lynn.. Not that it's allowed. Cant see where its not allowed in the regulations. Also Bees used Lewis Blackbird as a guest last year in the top 5 and he scored 8 or 9 I think. Not saying Garrity is the answer as r/r is your best option especially at Monmore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny bee firefly Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Sorry, but Garrity is not EL heatleader quality. 'not when you have Garrity who rides like a heat leader at monmore ' ! Guess who wrote that on the wolves vs bees thread ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) Sorry, but Garrity is not EL heatleader quality.But he is at Wolves as you claimed yourself.'not when you have Garrity who rides like a heat leader at monmore ' ! Guess who wrote that on the wolves vs bees thread ?Exactly. I'm not claiming he is a heatleader everywhere far from it but at Wolves he has showed it often. Edited May 15, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 'not when you have Garrity who rides like a heat leader at monmore ' ! Guess who wrote that on the wolves vs bees thread ? But he is at Wolves as you claimed yourself. Exactly. I'm not claiming he is a heatleader everywhere far from it but at Wolves he has showed it often. He rides like a heat leader at reserve that much is very true. But IN a tougher heat leader race jacket I doubt he would be anywhere near as potent. Nor should he be expected to be. This isn't a Diss at Jason, far from it. I rate the kid and with the right guidance could move up the Speedway ladder rapidly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 But Musielak is a heat leader in name only. At the moment he is a poor second string so anyone who can do better than that is an advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 He rides like a heat leader at reserve that much is very true. But IN a tougher heat leader race jacket I doubt he would be anywhere near as potent. Nor should he be expected to be. This isn't a Diss at Jason, far from it. I rate the kid and with the right guidance could move up the Speedway ladder rapidly. He rode like a heat leader last year in the British Final. He beat Woffy on his own track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 He rode like a heat leader last year in the British Final. He beat Woffy on his own track. OK let's put it another way if Garrity was named in a starting line up as a heat leader in the EL I don't think there is one person who would be happy with it. At Wolves or anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 a few riders beat woofy last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) OK let's put it another way if Garrity was named in a starting line up as a heat leader in the EL I don't think there is one person who would be happy with it. At Wolves or anywhere. Maybe not but many would be happy if he was named as a 4 point second string. That is what we are actually talking about when making comparisons to Musielak. Edited May 15, 2015 by Aces51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 OK let's put it another way if Garrity was named in a starting line up as a heat leader in the EL I don't think there is one person who would be happy with it. At Wolves or anywhere. I agree. However Musielak is struggling as a heat leader so I think the point being made by myself and others is Garrity would be likely to still score more than he would have. I think R/R is still a stronger option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) Maybe not but many would be happy if he was named as a 4 point second string. That is what we are actually talking about when making comparisons to Musielak. Musielak is averaging 5.07 not 4. At present we have to take maximum advantage of his assessed average while we can. Whilst Garrity would likely score 4 or 5 points we can use someone with a higher scoring potential as a guest. I agree. However Musielak is struggling as a heat leader so I think the point being made by myself and others is Garrity would be likely to still score more than he would have. I think R/R is still a stronger option. Completely agree. a few riders beat woofy last year In the EL yes. Edited May 15, 2015 by stevebrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Maybe not but many would be happy if he was named as a 4 point second string. That is what we are actually talking about when making comparisons to Musielak. No it isn't. If you haven't grasped the difference between riding as a heat leader and a second string in this system I despair. At second string musielak would be a 7 Pter I agree. However Musielak is struggling as a heat leader so I think the point being made by myself and others is Garrity would be likely to still score more than he would have. I think R/R is still a stronger option. He wouldn't be likely. It's a completely different situation. Riding at reserve or second string you have easier races to gain confidence in. Not pitched in against tough opponents in every heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Tbf I'd expect garrity to score 4 from the hl position - would prob pick up a point against each of Lambert porsing wells and schlein? Still far weaker than using RR which I would expect to return at least half a dozen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 I No it isn't. If you haven't grasped the difference between riding as a heat leader and a second string in this system I despair. At second string musielak would be a 7 Pter Of course I'm aware of the vagaries of the current system. However, the standard of riders at reserve and second string is generally higher this year than last. I am not convinced that a 4 point heat leader would average 7 as a second string. You have to be very poor to average such a low figure. I have seen Musielak ride, he has potential but he is not yet close to the standard of riders like King,Schlein, Lambert, Cook or Wells and riding as a second string, would be beaten by them more often than not. I was using the figure of 4 to make a point to Stevebrum, that it is a significant advantage to be able to replace him on his assessed average. Realistically and on current form, I would expect Musielak to average about 5.5 as a second string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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