foreverblue Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Cracking meeting i thought with some terrific battles notably king and morris, morris was excellent and maybe was the difference, lambert should have won a race and in my opinion morris could easily got excluded if lambert had gone down. Lambert a bit unlucky to touch the tapes which turned the match and if bomber had let batch win could of had a tac ride but overall beaten by a better team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 He turned his back on us British fans so why does he deserve better and not the fans who have supported him. What a load of rubbish, Tai like all other sportsmen are in it for 2 reasons, they love the sport and it pays them, why do you think most of the top boys miss the EL,simple it's crap and needs a major over haul, maybe then they will come back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I know I'll get lambasted for this but wot the 'eck... How on earth is Greg Hancock World Champion..? By no possibe stretch of the imagination is he the best rider in the world - as was shown tonight. The individual World Chasmpionship is desperately flawed when by simply being consistent and safe allows you to challenge for the title.. And indeed win it..! Still a great rider in the scheme of things but miles off being the best.. Greg bores me, I'll not be upset when he retires but last season he was a worthy World Champion. The only rider close enough to stake a claim was KK who scored 0 in 1 GP- is that the rider you want as World Champ? Frankly, how Hancock is riding in 2015 shouldn't be relevant to him being 2014 World Champion. And OMG I've just defended Greg Hancock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I know I'll get lambasted for this but wot the 'eck... How on earth is Greg Hancock World Champion..? By no possibe stretch of the imagination is he the best rider in the world - as was shown tonight. The individual World Chasmpionship is desperately flawed when by simply being consistent and safe allows you to challenge for the title.. And indeed win it..! Still a great rider in the scheme of things but miles off being the best.. Good point ...look at the football league title each year the team with the most points keeps winning it when quite clearly other teams are better . And as for that Lewis Hamilton bloke how the hell is he World Champion . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) Greg bores me, I'll not be upset when he retires but last season he was a worthy World Champion. The only rider close enough to stake a claim was KK who scored 0 in 1 GP- is that the rider you want as World Champ? Frankly, how Hancock is riding in 2015 shouldn't be relevant to him being 2014 World Champion. And OMG I've just defended Greg Hancock. You can't help but defend him, he may be boring at times but that is generally because he is a fantastic gater, personally i like him such a gentleman.Much rather he won than dirty Nicki although Pedersen is definately a rider that puts bums on seats. Edited June 9, 2015 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Gregs a fantastic gater but he also stays in front 90% of the time and that's not easy when the worlds best are on your tail.Worthy World Champion at 45 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Gregs a fantastic gater but he also stays in front 90% of the time and that's not easy when the worlds best are on your tail.Worthy World Champion at 45 years old. My dad aid a few weeks ago, none of the longer term GP riders give him a hard time, they all seem to show him far more respect than they do others. So its funny that the youngsters in the GP series and the SWC seem to be the riders barging by him in recent times. Do the other riders in the GP series show him too much respect possibly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 My dad aid a few weeks ago, none of the longer term GP riders give him a hard time, they all seem to show him far more respect than they do others. So its funny that the youngsters in the GP series and the SWC seem to be the riders barging by him in recent times. Do the other riders in the GP series show him too much respect possibly? My Old man has said the same for years about riders giving him too much respect in the GP series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 My dad aid a few weeks ago, none of the longer term GP riders give him a hard time, they all seem to show him far more respect than they do others. So its funny that the youngsters in the GP series and the SWC seem to be the riders barging by him in recent times. Do the other riders in the GP series show him too much respect possibly?Possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) Just watching the meeting, didn't look to me as though Rob's front wheel actually touched the tapes, only his helmet as they went up 😕 Gotta say I like the GB kevlars 😊 Couldn't tell in that heat 9 whether Lambert lifted because Morris took him by surprise or if it all happened by coincidence? Great ride by Woffy in 10! Edited June 9, 2015 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 My dad aid a few weeks ago, none of the longer term GP riders give him a hard time, they all seem to show him far more respect than they do others. So its funny that the youngsters in the GP series and the SWC seem to be the riders barging by him in recent times. Do the other riders in the GP series show him too much respect possibly? Young Lambert didn't show him too much respect last night. Why the hell isn't he in the british final. These organisers are idiots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 My dad aid a few weeks ago, none of the longer term GP riders give him a hard time, they all seem to show him far more respect than they do others. So its funny that the youngsters in the GP series and the SWC seem to be the riders barging by him in recent times. Do the other riders in the GP series show him too much respect possibly? I agree there is too much respect and riders are too nice to him and have said so on the forum before. Its clear that if Hancock is intimidated he will back off and allow a rider to pass. The trouble is getting close enough as his gating is so good but at Kings Lynn he didn't want any involvement in hard racing. He's 45 and looking after himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 all he had to do was tell Bomber to finish behind Batchelor in heat 8, this would of meant we could use the joker in the next race, either Bomber or Woffinden in place of Lambert, if this had happened the chances were that either of them would of beaten Morris and thus forcing at least a run off, but there would of been more pressure on the Aussies and who knows what would of happened....tactically amateurish by Rossiter imo.So we would have lost 2 points in heat 8. Gained 5 in heat 9 (assuming tai won). Given that Aussie won by four, on what do u base your claim that we would have got a run off? You can go one of two way, try and get the 6 points in the next 2 heats and put pressure on Aus, or hope to cling on for them two heats and then come good. Knowing Danny King can't be trusted in heat 15s at league level (he has a truly abysmal average for heat 15s) I'd have wanted him out sooner personally so he had less pressure on him. So if you're going down that route, you have to go with the strong finish, which Rosco went for. In short, I'd have done the same. Agree. It also made sense to have tai or bomber against Greg, as the hope would be that you could get a two point gain by winning and Greg second. for me there was 2 races that cost us, the race when Lambert (superb debut by the way) got excluded for touching the tapes, the second when Norris past Lambert on the run to the flag, IMHO Norris on another day could of been excluded as he lifted and ran into Lambert causing lambert to broadside a bit slowing him down. Good meeting though and the Aussies did deserve their victory, but a great big well done to our boys who didn't let themselves or us down. Much as Lambert showed huge promise, and I certainly don't blame him for the defeat, those were the two key moments for me ( though you could add the third places tai and king ran).Good effort, and just a shame the ridiculous rules around no reserves mean we are now meeting Poland instead of Sweden who I would have fancied us to beat. Imagine it will be the same team, though cook a possibility to replace king? Do either of them have much experience around vojens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I wouldn't bother with Cook anymore, I don't think he's got it. I would stay with the same four, maybe Kyle Howarth for Danny King if he goes well at practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I wouldn't bother with Cook anymore, I don't think he's got it. I would stay with the same four, maybe Kyle Howarth for Danny King if he goes well at practice I don't see what any of our team did wrong the other night that would see them dropped, si I hope its the same four, lets face facts their chances of getting to the Final whoever they choose are remote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I agree there is too much respect and riders are too nice to him and have said so on the forum before. Its clear that if Hancock is intimidated he will back off and allow a rider to pass. The trouble is getting close enough as his gating is so good but at Kings Lynn he didn't want any involvement in hard racing. He's 45 and looking after himself. Why on earth would Greg want to put his world championship prospects at risk in a meeting that in the grand scheme of things for him was meaningless. There was very little money in it for him, his team had zero chance of qualifying and I guess his sponsors want to see him flying their flag in the GP's, and he does have massive sponsorship compared with a lot of them. Incidentally it looked to me that his bike was slowing a bit when Lambert passed and I though he was pretty much off the pace and just about hanging on by the time Morris went by. If Morris had been a Brit I wonder if people would have been raving quite so much about Lambert . I thought Morris was excellent, never let a single chance slip. His pass on Lambert was hard but that's the way world championships are won and lost. I am not Rosco's biggest fan but I think the critism of him is a bit unfair . Once you start telling a rider not to try to win you change the whole dynamics of a race and all sorts of unexpected things can go wrong. Absolutely right IMO opinion to save the two most experienced riders to the end . Lambert had already touched the tapes in a regular heat so who knows what he would have done under pressure if he was in at the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I don't see what any of our team did wrong the other night that would see them dropped, si I hope its the same four, lets face facts their chances of getting to the Final whoever they choose are remote. Danny did ok on monday, but I think it's fair to say he's more or less reached his level, and it seems a good opportunity to give another youngster some international experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Danny King, has been tried and tried again and again at this level and fails to bring the goods, he has come as far as he will and I think it is time to bring in some young blood. We where never going to win the other night, so to me it would have been better to have gone with the other 3 riders and have put in another young rider, just to give them a chance at major world speedway. Lets face it you don't give them a go then we will never find out what they can do, because in a few years time they are going to be all that we have to use. What will then be the use of using maybe 2 riders because you will still have Tai and Lambert, but the other riders will still be hanging around at reserve berth in the EL. because no one is brave enough to give them a shot. Bring one in on Thursday, because I can't see us going much further in the competition. You never know though, with the 3 riders from Monday and one new young blood in the team, they may just pull of a shock win against the Poles, they say the track suits the British lads better than it does the Poles, so the chance may just be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 You field your strongest team available, age is irrelevant. If you want to "give them a try" do it during Test Matches (need to organise some first) or the Pairs events (if the BSPA ever allows us to enter). You don't experiment at major competitions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Danny King, has been tried and tried again and again at this level and fails to bring the goods, he has come as far as he will and I think it is time to bring in some young blood. We where never going to win the other night, so to me it would have been better to have gone with the other 3 riders and have put in another young rider, just to give them a chance at major world speedway. Lets face it you don't give them a go then we will never find out what they can do, because in a few years time they are going to be all that we have to use. What will then be the use of using maybe 2 riders because you will still have Tai and Lambert, but the other riders will still be hanging around at reserve berth in the EL. because no one is brave enough to give them a shot. Bring one in on Thursday, because I can't see us going much further in the competition. You never know though, with the 3 riders from Monday and one new young blood in the team, they may just pull of a shock win against the Poles, they say the track suits the British lads better than it does the Poles, so the chance may just be there. Disagree there, Danny King didn't fail,rode extremely well and after Tai and Harris is our next best rider, his race with Morris was terrific and Morris was on fire on monday. lambert was unlucky and Morris could have been excluded so with a bit of luck we would already be in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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