pawel115 Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 Having no reserve in injury prone sport just does not make sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Having no reserve in injury prone sport just does not make sense. Whats amazing is every fan agreed on this one. Has there ever been another case in sport where fans all over the World agree one something but the people running the sport do nothing about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Hampel's injury was a bad one and genuine. Reserves were stopped after the Pole's alledgedly faked an injury when one rider wasn't riding very well. Could have been Walasek. In came rider number 5 and he did far better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Whats amazing is every fan agreed on this one. Has there ever been another case in sport where fans all over the World agree one something but the people running the sport do nothing about it? Welcome to speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HenryW Posted June 7, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Whats amazing is every fan agreed on this one. Has there ever been another case in sport where fans all over the World agree one something but the people running the sport do nothing about it?What's more amazing is that every fan agreed on it back in 2006 as well, but then after the 2007 final they decided to get rid of the reserves again. That was all part of the slow destruction of the best tournament that speedway had seen for many years. When BSI first took over the SWC they created a great tournament and for me it was the high point of the speedway season for a good few years, but it has slowly been turned into a complete waste of time. The change to 4 man teams and 20 heat matches was bad....the seeding of the hosts to the final was even worse... A once great week of speedway was quickly turned into a week of relatively predictable results and TV boredom. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 How many passes on the outside tonight? When are riders going to realise, DONT GO WIDE. DONT GO WIDE, all i can say to that is, watching my second all time favorite rider, Gollob, where i've had the privilege to watch all over Poland. The likes of Bydgoszcz, at times i've seen him on another post code he was that wide! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Hopefully Hampel's injury will bring reserves back into SWC. Just let them have max 3 (or 4) rides and it will not be used for any 'dirty' tactics. Hopefully Hampel's injury will finally persuade the authorities that air fences need to be tethered down!!!! Can't believe nobody has picked up on this ....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) Hopefully Hampel's injury will finally persuade the authorities that air fences need to be tethered down!!!! Can't believe nobody has picked up on this ....... They don't need to be persuaded. It is already included in the "FIM STANDARDS FOR TRACK RACING CIRCUITS (STRC) 2015" . http://www.fim-live.com/en/library/download/53646/no_cache/1/ 079.4.6 Additional Protective Devices Additional Protective Devices (APD) requires an official homologation pursuant to the standards, procedures and specifications for the CCP/FIM Test for APD.The Homologation is valid only for the tested model/product. New models/products must undergo and obtain a new homologation in accordance with the relevant tests. If an APD is used permanently or temporarily, it must be erected against a secondary fence on the bends and first part of the two straights only. The secondary fence must be approved by the FIM. There should be no free space between the APD and the secondary fence. FIM Standards For Track Racing Circuits (STRC) 15 update 18 April 2015 Standards The height of the APD shall not be less than 1.2 m. The APD must be solidly connected to the top and, as solidly as possible, t o the bottom of the secondary fence or to the ground in order to avoid a possible rising during impact. So the question is why this isn't more strictly enforced? Both in regards to those who use the airfences and in regards to those who manufacture airfences. Those who I have handled did not have any kind of "connector"/"fastening device" on the underside, only on the backside. Edited June 7, 2015 by Ghostwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Hampel's injury was a bad one and genuine. Reserves were stopped after the Pole's alledgedly faked an injury when one rider wasn't riding very well. Could have been Walasek. In came rider number 5 and he did far better. Isnt that the point of reserves, to replace riders not riding well on the night, limit them to a certain number of rides, but not when they can be used make the team managers work 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 They don't need to be persuaded. It is already included in the "FIM STANDARDS FOR TRACK RACING CIRCUITS (STRC) 2015" . http://www.fim-live.com/en/library/download/53646/no_cache/1/ So the question is why this isn't more strictly enforced? Both in regards to those who use the airfences and in regards to those who manufacture airfences. Those who I have handled did not have any kind of "connector"/"fastening device" on the underside, only on the backside. Is it only new (2015 onwards) airfences that have to have connectors at the bottom?Let's hope that rich Poland will make sure their fences don't lift anymore, too late for Hampel though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Hampel's injury was a bad one and genuine. Reserves were stopped after the Pole's alledgedly faked an injury when one rider wasn't riding very well. Could have been Walasek. In came rider number 5 and he did far better. So What?? A team of 5 riders, all of similar high ability, should make little difference. It was once thought of as a Team Manager duties to make changes.. With a 5th rider, there could be restraints on the number of rides they are allowed, but not to have cover is unbelievable for what ever reason. Just imagine, in those races of only three riders, one was excluded for tape infringement , we would have had, only 2 riders left to race.. How pathetic would that have been ???? The JOKER makes the sport a laughing stock. Seeing riders slow down to let other pass, as seen many times before, is contradictory to the whole essence of the sport. Is just me ? or has this sport lost all its common sense ??? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) So What?? A team of 5 riders, all of similar high ability, should make little difference. It was once thought of as a Team Manager duties to make changes.. With a 5th rider, there could be restraints on the number of rides they are allowed, but not to have cover is unbelievable for what ever reason. Just imagine, in those races of only three riders, one was excluded for tape infringement , we would have had, only 2 riders left to race.. How pathetic would that have been ???? The JOKER makes the sport a laughing stock. Seeing riders slow down to let other pass, as seen many times before, is contradictory to the whole essence of the sport. Is just me ? or has this sport lost all its common sense ??? As should have been in the first heat rerun - the Swede should have been out too, for causing the stoppage. No, it's not just you, the sport does seem to have lost its common sense. Edited June 7, 2015 by Vincent Blackshadow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) What's more amazing is that every fan agreed on it back in 2006 as well, but then after the 2007 final they decided to get rid of the reserves again. That was all part of the slow destruction of the best tournament that speedway had seen for many years. When BSI first took over the SWC they created a great tournament and for me it was the high point of the speedway season for a good few years, but it has slowly been turned into a complete waste of time. The change to 4 man teams and 20 heat matches was bad....the seeding of the hosts to the final was even worse... A once great week of speedway was quickly turned into a week of relatively predictable results and TV boredom. Great post 100 % agree with all of that ...just like to add that another crap thing was not to hold it in the same country and have these boring and unfair rounds at the same places and the same teams. of course this all comes down to money. Are we really going to have the final in Denmark and Poland all the time ? . Standard Speedway, turn a great idea and turn into a joke . People moan about the joker and I admit I hate it in this format but the tac sub is just as bad . Your got 4 riders just let them take all there rides and see what team is the best . Edited June 7, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Why can't the three remaining riders take one of Hampels rides, thus no need for a reserve or suspicion of underhand tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) Why can't the three remaining riders take one of Hampels rides, thus no need for a reserve or suspicion of underhand tactics. Thou that is a good idea it would only matter of time before teams would cheat by saying a rider is injured so stronger riders could takes his rides ....it was the main reason why we don't have reserves after the fast one the poles pulled with Walasek that time . Edited June 7, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Even football has tactical substitutes and the tac sub has been around long enough now to be accepted as the norm. It gives the manager something to do The joker is daft but hardly makes the sport a laughing stock as it needs to come a long way before it gets to that position. It's just unfortunate in its name. The 5 man teams were much better with someone able to take a ride for an out of form team mate but the money obviously is not there to do that sadly. Speedway is not a well off sport and seems to squander any riches that come its way. Also it seems to be run by fools even worldwide as in the seeding of the home team to the final which has helped drain the excitement from the SWC. I still enjoy it but let everybody fight for a place and stop seeding garbage like the Czechs through to a final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoFastTurnLeft Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 This made the Warsaw GP look competent by comparison. An innocent rider is out for the rest of the event (and quite probably others too) when there's a perfectly good reserve sat in the pits, the rider that caused the stoppage isn't even excluded from that race and the team that caused the stoppage is the ones that benefit the most from these stupid rules. Pretty sure anyone who was checking out the SWC for the first time won't bother again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Any news on Hampel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) Any news on Hampel? I read some on Sportowefakty earlier that he suffered a spiral fracture on his right thigh-bone so hopefully he will be fully recovered for next season. Edited June 7, 2015 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 I read some on Sportowefakty earlier that he suffered a spiral fracture on his right thigh-bone. Oh dear, that sounds nasty Thanks for info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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