2ndbendbeerhut Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Bonus points will be the factor in a few cases, with this one the 1st. Putting Proctor at 5 so it's easier to beat his teammate in 3 heats is one way of helping. As for the paying of the bonus points... can always tell at Foxhall the teams that don't. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Don't see why Sheffield should be granted a facility.IF they knew that Proctor had 60 days to get his average over seven then they should have had a replacement ready to step in if he failed, which he has. He may well be over seven for this year or over seven with bonus points but we use rolling averages and bonus points don't count towards those averages. There's no injustice in it, these rules regarding rider averages were known before the start of the season. IF IF IF IF IF IF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 IF IF IF IF IF IF ...and if they didn't then they're dumber than dumb. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 IF IF IF IF IF IF It is the responsibility of Sheffield to know, so your defence of 'IF' is completely and utterly irrelevant. Some posters on this forum knew so there is absolutely no excuse for Sheffield not knowing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) It is the responsibility of Sheffield to know, so your defence of 'IF' is completely and utterly irrelevant. Some posters on this forum knew so there is absolutely no excuse for Sheffield not knowing. there is NO defence, i'm merely trying to make the point that NONE of us know what was said to the promotion to to lead them to misunderstand the positioning of the goalposts (which seems to be the case here) . did sheffield not get a commendation for their understanding of the new rules at the beginning of the season ????????????????????????? http://www.sheffieldspeedway.co/news.php?extend.1757 Edited May 12, 2015 by The SAINT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 there is NO defence, i'm merely trying to make the point that NONE of us know what was said to the promotion to to lead them to misunderstand the positioning of the goalposts (which seems to be the case here) . did sheffield not get a commendation for their understanding of the new rules at the beginning of the season ????????????????????????? http://www.sheffieldspeedway.co/news.php?extend.1757 So how did some members of the BSF fully understand the situation but Sheffield didn't. Clutching at straws I'm afraid. The buck stops with Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Wasn't Davies' average over seven when he rode for Somerset? Yes - although this wasn't attained last season, as per the regs... Although this has been discussed at length already before the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 there is NO defence, i'm merely trying to make the point that NONE of us know what was said to the promotion to to lead them to misunderstand the positioning of the goalposts (which seems to be the case here) . did sheffield not get a commendation for their understanding of the new rules at the beginning of the season ????????????????????????? http://www.sheffieldspeedway.co/news.php?extend.1757 Whats not to get? His visa expired this week. So he needs a new visa. The visa rules state a rider has to have a 7 point PL average. Proctor does NOT have a 7 point PL average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 So how did some members of the BSF fully understand the situation but Sheffield didn't. Clutching at straws I'm afraid. The buck stops with Sheffield. you're not understanding what i'm trying to say but no problemo what's done is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Bit of a bolt out of the blue this, could Sheffield have really misunderstood the rules this badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Bit of a bolt out of the blue this, could Sheffield have really misunderstood the rules this badly. It would seem they were told that he only had to average 7 this season. When he actually had to have a 7 point rolling average. I guess I can see to some extent where they're coming from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Slightly off topic here but Worky's situation with Campton confuses me still. He had a valid visa up until the end of 2015 by which point he would have to have a 7 point average to have it renewed which he may or may not have achieved. So my question is with a valid visa why was he not allowed in? If every club had to reapply for its sponsor licence then every rider would have to reapply for their visa as their current ones would be invalid I feel sorry for Proctor but as others have said someone should have been aware of the upcoming problem of his visa expiry and his rolling average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) there is NO defence, i'm merely trying to make the point that NONE of us know what was said to the promotion to to lead them to misunderstand the positioning of the goalposts (which seems to be the case here) . did sheffield not get a commendation for their understanding of the new rules at the beginning of the season ????????????????????????? http://www.sheffieldspeedway.co/news.php?extend.1757 Surely to employ Proctor Sheffield had to know how long his visa was valid for in the first place. Edited May 12, 2015 by RocketBen1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Surely to employ Proctor Sheffield had to know how long his visa was valid for in the first place. Reading between the lines I get the feeling that there has been some confusion between the rolling averages and the average for rides for this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I seem to recall that Heat 15 scores don't count towards an average and therefore his taking part in those races would be irrelevant - I may well be wrong of course and no doubt somebody will tell me if I am. If you go by the Sheffield website being accurate, then it seems they were given dodgy information as to the rolling average / average for this season point, in which case it seems harsh on all concerned as they probably wouldn't have gone with him in those circumstances, he would have known the position and Sheffield supporters wouldn't be robbed of seeing a 7 man team for the next however many weeks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I seem to recall that Heat 15 scores don't count towards an average and therefore his taking part in those races would be irrelevant - I may well be wrong of course and no doubt somebody will tell me if I am. Heats 15 counts, always has done. I'm not sure why people think it doesn't. It does seem someone has messed up on the current season/rolling average. But weirdly, the person who told me he had 60 days also said it was a rolling average, so some people did know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Isn't that what has happened though? His existing visa has now expired, to obtain a new one he needs a 7pt average. He didn't achieve it. The Sheffield management should have been fully aware of his average after every ride and been doing everything in their power to ensure he finished above 7. Putting him in Heat 15's away from home in meetings that are already lost shows that they quite simply hadn't a clue! Just seen that his visa which began a year ago has expired, if that's the case it presumably makes Proctor slightly different to the other two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Totally speculating now but I'd guess any rider who didn't meet the criteria in March would have been given a temp visa to prove their worth, so Davies, Smith and Sedgmen(now over 7) in addition to Ty. Sedgmen was third in the Australian Championships last winter which qualifies him for a visa. Davies and Smith I presume qualify on the grounds of their 7 point average in their last season. I'm pretty unimpressed that officials being paid by taxpayers waste their time on this drivel, doing nothing but harm. But equally the BSPA should long ago have appointed someone intelligent (if they could have found such a person) who has no other job in speedway, just to oversee all of the work permit situations and ensure that we avoid exactly what has just happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Heats 15 counts, always has done. I'm not sure why people think it doesn't. It does seem someone has messed up on the current season/rolling average. But weirdly, the person who told me he had 60 days also said it was a rolling average, so some people did know. It had to be his rolling average surely. Otherwise teams would be claiming "he averaged 7 in September" etc. This is/was a serious issue. Sheffield should have ensured they had confirmed, in writing, what was required. Simply saying we were told this doesn't wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 It had to be his rolling average surely. Otherwise teams would be claiming "he averaged 7 in September" etc. This is/was a serious issue. Sheffield should have ensured they had confirmed, in writing, what was required. Simply saying we were told this doesn't wash. Could be similarities to Somerset/ Brady Kurtz situation last season when they claimed they were told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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