cityrebel Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) I know Len silver has his critics, but his stance regarding using Aussie riders at rye house looks to be a good one. Edited May 12, 2015 by cityrebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) seems that a lot of people on here seem to know more about sheffields' internal affairs than they do .... or, should i say, think they do !!!! #justsaying Edited May 12, 2015 by The SAINT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Sounds easy in principle, but unless you have seen all of the 10 races where he has gained a bonus point which neither you and I have I don't think we can make a judgement. Also should a rider be expected to let his partner through and lose money. Unless you are Ipswich who went against the ruling of paying bonus points. But it doesn't have to be all 10. The fact he has score 10 bonus points suggests there was NO effort. Why is that? Your management knew this was coming (well I did anyway) so should have been making an effort to get that average up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Sounds easy in principle, but unless you have seen all of the 10 races where he has gained a bonus point which neither you and I have I don't think we can make a judgement. Also should a rider be expected to let his partner through and lose money. Unless you are Ipswich who went against the ruling of paying bonus points. It is easy. There is no excuse. I've been having a look.. first one I found, he was 3rd in a 3 man race behind his partner. Next I find him being put in Heat 15 at Somerset when you are 30pts behind causing a further fall in his average. Next I find another 3rd behind Birks with Sam Chapman in 4th who didn't score all night. The pay is no problem. You make your riders aware and pay them for the position they gave up. seems that a lot of people on here seem to know more about sheffields' internal affairs than they do .... or, should i say, think they do !!!! Unbelievable. People don't think.. they KNOW. It's proven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 seems that a lot of people on here seem to know more about sheffields' internal affairs than they do .... or, should i say, think they do !!!! Read the Sheffield 2015 thread, I have quoted the post where Najjer lets on that he knows. Ask yourself why he knows, why I knew and yet your own promoter is saying on your official website he didn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 If riders and clubs knew the deal before the season then that's that, no argument. Personally I'd have rather seen the three visas rejected and 'come back when you fulfilled the criteria' than this. Smith & Davies were always going to struggle after a year out. Proctor really should have reached the seven point mark last year let alone over the last few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) If riders and clubs knew the deal before the season then that's that, no argument. Personally I'd have rather seen the three visas rejected and 'come back when you fulfilled the criteria' than this. Smith & Davies were always going to struggle after a year out. Proctor really should have reached the seven point mark last year let alone over the last few weeks. Isn't that what has happened though? His existing visa has now expired, to obtain a new one he needs a 7pt average. He didn't achieve it. The Sheffield management should have been fully aware of his average after every ride and been doing everything in their power to ensure he finished above 7. Putting him in Heat 15's away from home in meetings that are already lost shows that they quite simply hadn't a clue! Edited May 12, 2015 by BWitcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 people are stating/pointing out the rules/law .. correctly so - however,you DO NOT know what has been discussed between the BSPA/VISA dept/SHEFFIELD promotion which leads there to be this 'misunderstanding' you are simply assuming that the promotion and ty himself have been a bit thick based on what is in the public domain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 It is easy. There is no excuse. I've been having a look.. first one I found, he was 3rd in a 3 man race behind his partner. Next I find him being put in Heat 15 at Somerset when you are 30pts behind causing a further fall in his average. Next I find another 3rd behind Birks with Sam Chapman in 4th who didn't score all night. The pay is no problem. You make your riders aware and pay them for the position they gave up. Unbelievable. People don't think.. they KNOW. It's proven. The pay is no problem. You make your riders aware and pay them for the position they gave up. Is that not classed as a backhand payment is that legal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Ty Prcotors first meeting for Sheffield in 2014 was on May 15th. So he would have had a 12 month visa form then. That visa has obviously expired. The pay is no problem. You make your riders aware and pay them for the position they gave up. Is that not classed as a backhand payment is that legal? Can pay your riders whatever the hell you like! Maybe them for every time they wave as Maud on the 2th bend if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 The pay is no problem. You make your riders aware and pay them for the position they gave up. Is that not classed as a backhand payment is that legal? get real ... FFS the promotion can pay the riders whatever they want to !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 It's really not. Proctor was give 60 days to meet the criteria. He's failed. The stupid thing is if he had scored less bonus points he'd probably still have a job, proving speedway riders and managers are all a bit thick, if they had sat down and discussed this they could have made sure Tys team mate kept finishing behind him but they didn't and now he doesn't have a job. Some of if knew of this 60 day thing. But we were just brushed off as keyboard warriors and trouble makers 2 months ago. Ho hum. Told you so! The highlighted part of your post above is surely a massive unwarranted generalisation and might well lead to someone, other than myself I hasten to add, stating that anyone who makes 30,000 plus postings to any internet forum is a somewhat strange person. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 The highlighted part of your post above is surely a massive unwarranted generalisation and might well lead to someone, other than myself I hasten to add, stating that anyone who makes 30,000 plus postings to any internet forum is a somewhat strange person. I know I'm strange, I wouldn't argue it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I know I'm strange, I wouldn't argue it Maybe, but nowhere near as strange as Sheffield's inept awareness of Proctors average.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) The highlighted part of your post above is surely a massive unwarranted generalisation and might well lead to someone, other than myself I hasten to add, stating that anyone who makes 30,000 plus postings to any internet forum is a somewhat strange person. It's a fair point, almost as fair as saying anyone who spends their life travelling to hundreds and hundreds of speedway meetings is a somewhat strange person too. Edited to add: What I mean by that is, we're speedway fans, so we're all a bit strange Edited May 12, 2015 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I know I'm strange, I wouldn't argue it Fair enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Don't see why Sheffield should be granted a facility. If they knew that Proctor had 60 days to get his average over seven then they should have had a replacement ready to step in if he failed, which he has. He may well be over seven for this year or over seven with bonus points but we use rolling averages and bonus points don't count towards those averages. There's no injustice in it, these rules regarding rider averages were known before the start of the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 IS there a right to appeal? iF so like everything else in uk law Proctor can ride another 2 seasons before a decision is finally made!!!! Speedway is a sport,proctor cant go round expecting people to give him a position,then the betting authority will be on to him!!! for race fixing.My own view is that Proctor is unlucky to be caught up in all this,hes trying to do a job for his team,he doesnt want to be thinking every race hes got to do this and that to get a work visa,he just wants to race.All these people saying he shouldnt go in heat 15 away from home or do this and that on track are kidding themselves.He just wants to race,earn money and do the best for his team,there shouldnt be added pressure put on him or team mates to do anything other then race.end of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 The issue is that Proctor (Davies and Smith) all got work permits they didn't deserve. Thats where this all went wrong. the UKV&I tried to show some leniency and now people are complaining, had they not give them the permits in March people would have complained then instead. Wasn't Davies' average over seven when he rode for Somerset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Makes me wonder if this is possibly why drillerman rider Todd Kurtz has decided to come back and race. Maybe just a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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