victor meldrew Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 What makes it even worse, is that somebody said earlier in the thread that Sheffield were singled out for praise at the start of the year for their understanding of the visa workings, apparently - looks like they have egg on their faces now. In hindsight Sheffield should have probably seeked advice from the management of the team you support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Which are probably going to be the most competitive Aussie State Championships of all time! Absolutely, those who fail to get a 7pt average by the end of the season will only have the State Championships if they want employment over here for 2016. That of course will now include Ty Proctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 From the Sheffield Star. Damien Bates has paid tribute to Aussie ace Ty Proctor who has arrived back in his home country. Tigers were rocked last week when they were told Proctor had failed to meet the criteria for a working visa and had to leave the UK. It has left a sour taste in the mouth of club boss Bates, who says he received mixed messages over the matter. “It’s a week down the line and I’m still fuming about it,” he said. “As a club we were comfortable with everything. We had done everything correctly in accordance with the advice we had been given from high-ranking officials within the sport. “It’s a disgrace, quite honestly, but there is nothing we can do about it now and the lad is now back home in Australia with his career in tatters. “The sad part about it all is that he has done a good job for the team. He’s had his injury problems, but this season he has been in the points and doing a great job. “To then be told he has to go back to Australia is terrible, and I feel for the lad because he’s put his heart and soul into the situation.” Bates admits he has no option but to cast an eye towards the end of this month and a potential replacement - as well as taking a view on the Simon Stead injury situation. “We will have to look at what options may or may not become available,” said Bates. “It’s not easy at the moment, but we will get through to the end of next week and see what we can do with the team.” Sheffield host Edinburgh this Thursday. So now we know where everything went t*ts up. Do you consult the engineer or the oil rag? I rest my case m'lud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 If the statement is true they won't be the first team to receive duff info from high ranking officials within the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Absolutely, those who fail to get a 7pt average by the end of the season will only have the State Championships if they want employment over here for 2016. That of course will now include Ty Proctor. and those who have achieved the required average may well not compete??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 ...high ranking officials within the sport. Oxymoron alert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 and those who have achieved the required average may well not compete???If the standard is deliberately diluted to game the system, the body responsible for sponsoring the visas should alter their criteria to take this into account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) If the statement is true they won't be the first team to receive duff info from high ranking officials within the sport.What was it? "Find some sand, then dig a big hole, one big enough to fit the whole of your head in it, put your head into the hole and then never, ever, pull your head out of it again".... "Should you ever by mistake raise your head out of the hole, just utter these words".. " Arrrrrhhhhh, but this is speedway mate"... "This is the 'catch all/get out of jail card' which can be used to explain any situation away" Always seems to work doesn't it??? Edited May 20, 2015 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel'n'Back Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Shambles..... and that is why I am considering abandoning this once great sport of ours after supporting for 30 odd years... yes Ty could be taking up the post of a British rider but he was exciting to watch and never gave up in a race... some young Sheffield supporters now denied to see their favourite rider......... who has lost here? the borders agency or British Speedway? Also, would be interesting to know what the criteria is in the British Superbike Championship cause there are Foreign, Aus/USA riders there? Shambles..... and that is why I am considering abandoning this once great sport of ours after supporting for 30 odd years... yes Ty could be taking up the post of a British rider but he was exciting to watch and never gave up in a race... some young Sheffield supporters now denied to see their favourite rider......... who has lost here? the borders agency or British Speedway? Also, would be interesting to know what the criteria is in the British Superbike Championship cause there are Foreign, Aus/USA riders there? Edited May 20, 2015 by Hel'n'Back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Boy Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 The passing the buck hypocrisy of blaming a "high ranking officials". They need to grow some and accept they screwed up by believing they could cheat the system. Instead we will have a stack of people trying to work out who that high ranking official is. The oldest trick in the book; screw up and point the finger elsewhere! I notice they don't have the cojones to blame the BSPA, the usual direction in which the finger is pointed; which begs the question did they seek or ignore the advice of the BSPA? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 If the statement is true they won't be the first team to receive duff info from high ranking officials within the sport. or the last !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 What a shame having to leave the UK and come back to Australia!!!!' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victor meldrew Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 The passing the buck hypocrisy of blaming a "high ranking officials". They need to grow some and accept they screwed up by believing they could cheat the system. Instead we will have a stack of people trying to work out who that high ranking official is. The oldest trick in the book; screw up and point the finger elsewhere! I notice they don't have the cojones to blame the BSPA, the usual direction in which the finger is pointed; which begs the question did they seek or ignore the advice of the BSPA? Will the BSPA management committee have the 'cojones'to tell us how the vote went and who voted what on their discretionary decision as to whether Ty Proctor stays or goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 The passing the buck hypocrisy of blaming a "high ranking officials". They need to grow some and accept they screwed up by believing they could cheat the system. Instead we will have a stack of people trying to work out who that high ranking official is. The oldest trick in the book; screw up and point the finger elsewhere! I notice they don't have the cojones to blame the BSPA, the usual direction in which the finger is pointed; which begs the question did they seek or ignore the advice of the BSPA? isn't it the case that they followed the BSPA advice which was miseading ??? or that misleading advice was given by the BSPA ?? either way .. the only 'legal binding' advice is from UKVI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Will the BSPA management committee have the 'cojones'to tell us how the vote went and who voted what on their discretionary decision as to whether Ty Proctor stays or goes. It's nothing to do with the management committee. The UKV&I say he has to have a 7 point average, he does not have a 7 point average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victor meldrew Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 It's nothing to do with the management committee. The UKV&I say he has to have a 7 point average, he does not have a 7 point average.I'm just going with what the article in this weeks Speedway Star (page 3) says, not being privvy to anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Seems to be still some people struggling with the concept of the rules regarding the 'right to work in the UK'... So I will try and make it simple.. If any of my 20 plus employees who require a 'visa' to 'live and work in the UK' are found by any of the relevant govt. agencies to be found working for me outside their agreed criteria, I can face a fine of £20k per employee and a possible jail sentence and they get sent 'home' as they no longer have the 'right to live and work in the UK'... It is MY responsibility to seek out the details from the govt. agencies re the criteria under which they can work for me and MY responsibility to ensure they do not move one iota away from that agreed criteria... No one else is responsible, just ME... Ignorance, as always, is no defence.... Edited May 21, 2015 by mikebv 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Seems to be still some people struggling with the concept of the rules regarding the 'right to work in the UK'... So I will try and make it simple.. If any of my 20 plus employees who require a 'visa' to 'live and work in the UK' are found by any of the relevant govt. agencies to be found working for me outside their agreed criteria, I can face a fine of £20k per employee and a possible jail sentence and they get sent 'home' as they no longer have the 'right to live and work in the UK'... It is MY responsibility to seek out the details from the govt. agencies re the criteria under which they can work for me and MY responsibility to ensure they do not move one iota away from that agreed criteria... No one else is responsible, just ME... Ignorance, as always, is no defence.... Okay I get what you are saying. But why then did the BSPA appoint someone as specialist advicer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Lets face it, we are never going to find out exactly what happened, so think people need to live with it rather than debating and arguing who is at fault for ever more. It's happened now, we need to move on and support the promotion and more importantly the team 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel'n'Back Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Dave Bereford's piece in tonight's program sums it up a treat! Live and learn and keep an eye on your enemies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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