Charlieboy Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 The immigration system in the uk is a joke.We let in sponging scum bags from the e u who have no intention of working yet an aussie from our commonwealth cant come in to work,entertain and earn a living !!!!!!!! All this crap about keeping a brit out of a team is a non starter for me.Who is the brit with same average as Proctor who cant get fixed up ? We have a space now he cant ride, !!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooose Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 It seems utterly bonkers that the application of this 'rule' is basically saying that Ty isn't good enough to be riding here. I wish him well and I hope we see him again next season. In the meantime I'm sure we'll be welcoming a bunch of very average EU riders who are also keeping British riders out of employment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Feel so sorry for Ty, I think sometimes common sense should prevail......... but this is speedway so that will never happen, too many fingers in the pie. I feel for him too - but the problem with allowing 'common sense to prevail' is that it would mean making exceptions to the rule and, therefore, inconsistent decisions. And if you have inconsistent decision making then, whether it be speedway or other walks of life, the authorities get dragged over the coals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Something I am puzzled about is that I thought any visa was only valid for the length of the riders contract. That being the case why was Proctors visa from May 14 acceptable if he was only contracted to the end of the 2014 season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 I've just heard about this and I am appalled. As someone has already stated - it appears that it is OK for all the ne'er do wells, Terrorists, Thieves, Pickpockets and Trash from all over the World to come to this Country and screw as much as they can out of us - yet a fully employed Speedway Rider from our own Commonwealth is turfed out at a moment's notice. That can't be right, surely. Len Silver will agree. This is an extract from a statement made last Februay: “After a visit by a UK Visa and Immigration official, I realised that I would find it virtually impossible to comply with that organisation's requirements, since I have always regarded Australians in particular as "special" in that they invented the sport in 1924 and brought it to England in 1928, and have been a highly entertaining and integral part of Speedway for 86 years. I cannot accept that they should be regarded in a similar way to other non-European immigrants. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Something I am puzzled about is that I thought any visa was only valid for the length of the riders contract. That being the case why was Proctors visa from May 14 acceptable if he was only contracted to the end of the 2014 season? Thats probably one of the dodgy things the UKV&I looked into and investigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 I doubt everyone else is given a few hours to get out of the country. He hasn't had a few hours notice. He's had a years notice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 This might sound a daft question but how can he get a new visa,does he have to meet the Aussie criteria and finish in the Tpo 4 of state championship then reapply to UK for visa if he wants to come back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Boy Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 A bit of a contradiction there don't you think? Yes you are correct. The point to be made is that plenty are shipped out on a few hours notice where they have breached or overstayed their visa. It happens all the time; in this instance I get the feeling that Sheffield and Proctor should have been aware for a long time that they were in breach, as employee and employer, of the regulations. Another post indicates they have known of this issue for a year and the "few hours notice" is in effect the final act of a long process; if they appealed they probably would have extended this process. They appear to have have not appealed. The interesting aspect of this is if Proctor has been working illegally/overstayed his visa, or whatever, who at the BSPA has the balls to deduct his point from all of the fixtures he's ridden in? In most other sport an incorrectly registered competitor means huge penalties for the club concerned and you can't get more incorrect than a visa breach! The final point to be made is that old Commonwealth Citizens are not British Citizens; we didn't want them all coming over in the 1970's (not quite true the "white ones who looked like us" were okay so we let them in if their parents/grandparents were born in Britain). The result is what we see here; nothing to do with the EU or any other immigrant visitors; everything to do with our small minded little islander mentality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Yes you are correct. The point to be made is that plenty are shipped out on a few hours notice where they have breached or overstayed their visa. It happens all the time; in this instance I get the feeling that Sheffield and Proctor should have been aware for a long time that they were in breach, as employee and employer, of the regulations. Another post indicates they have known of this issue for a year and the "few hours notice" is in effect the final act of a long process; if they appealed they probably would have extended this process. They appear to have have not appealed. The interesting aspect of this is if Proctor has been working illegally/overstayed his visa, or whatever, who at the BSPA has the balls to deduct his point from all of the fixtures he's ridden in? In most other sport an incorrectly registered competitor means huge penalties for the club concerned and you can't get more incorrect than a visa breach! The final point to be made is that old Commonwealth Citizens are not British Citizens; we didn't want them all coming over in the 1970's (not quite true the "white ones who looked like us" were okay so we let them in if their parents/grandparents were born in Britain). The result is what we see here; nothing to do with the EU or any other immigrant visitors; everything to do with our small minded little islander mentality! He hasn't ridden illegally. His work permit expired this week. Until then everything was fine. Once his work permit expired he had 24 hours (that seems to have been extended to 72 hours) to leave the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 He hasn't ridden illegally. His work permit expired this week. Until then everything was fine. Once his work permit expired he had 24 hours (that seems to have been extended to 72 hours) to leave the country. where do you get your 'facts' from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Boy Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 He hasn't ridden illegally. His work permit expired this week. Until then everything was fine. Once his work permit expired he had 24 hours (that seems to have been extended to 72 hours) to leave the country. My point is that if Sheffield have known of a problem for 12 months, it sound like his work pattern did not match the work permit. i.e. there was a problem with him using that work permit to ride for Sheffield; if there wasn't a problem then Sheffield wouldn't have "known" their was a problem for 12 months. I hope this follows logically. Therefore if the problem was that the work permit didn't allow him to work for Sheffield, then there is an argument that his points should be deducted. What other sort of problem could there be that has brought this sad situation about? Lets not forget a Brit was put out of work to accommodate an immigrant; in any other profession most people would be going ballistic about that fact alone! Perhaps that is the "known" problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 My point is that if Sheffield have known of a problem for 12 months, it sound like his work pattern did not match the work permit. i.e. there was a problem with him using that work permit to ride for Sheffield; if there wasn't a problem then Sheffield wouldn't have "known" their was a problem for 12 months. I hope this follows logically. Therefore if the problem was that the work permit didn't allow him to work for Sheffield, then there is an argument that his points should be deducted. What other sort of problem could there be that has brought this sad situation about? Lets not forget a Brit was put out of work to accommodate an immigrant; in any other profession most people would be going ballistic about that fact alone! Perhaps that is the "known" problem? The 12 month issue is they knew when his visa would be expiring. They also knew what target he had to achieve to obtain a new one. He wasn't riding illegally in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 He could have been in breach of his visa in the 2015 season though if its validity ended with his contract expiry at the end of the 2014 season. If they then recontracted him for the whole of 2015 on a visa that only ran to mid May then that cant be legal. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 where do you get your 'facts' from ? Various places/people. Are you saying you believe my facts to be wrong? My point is that if Sheffield have known of a problem for 12 months, it sound like his work pattern did not match the work permit. i.e. there was a problem with him using that work permit to ride for Sheffield; if there wasn't a problem then Sheffield wouldn't have "known" their was a problem for 12 months. I hope this follows logically. Therefore if the problem was that the work permit didn't allow him to work for Sheffield, then there is an argument that his points should be deducted. What other sort of problem could there be that has brought this sad situation about? Lets not forget a Brit was put out of work to accommodate an immigrant; in any other profession most people would be going ballistic about that fact alone! Perhaps that is the "known" problem? You seem to be getting confused. He had a 12 month work permit in mid-May 2014. That expired this week (mid-May 2015). There has been no problem. No illegal riding. All that has happened is he has tried to re-new his work permit this week and that has been refused because he no longer meets the criteria. As soon as he was refused he has stopped riding and is subsequently going to leave the country this weekend according to reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 My point is that if Sheffield have known of a problem for 12 months, it sound like his work pattern did not match the work permit. i.e. there was a problem with him using that work permit to ride for Sheffield; if there wasn't a problem then Sheffield wouldn't have "known" their was a problem for 12 months. I hope this follows logically. Therefore if the problem was that the work permit didn't allow him to work for Sheffield, then there is an argument that his points should be deducted. What other sort of problem could there be that has brought this sad situation about? Lets not forget a Brit was put out of work to accommodate an immigrant; in any other profession most people would be going ballistic about that fact alone! Perhaps that is the "known" problem? Who is this brit that has been put out of work by Proctor riding for Sheffield because I cant find anyone who has averaged 8.26 current average or his rolling average ? We are in need of a replacement so let us know and we can try and fit him in.Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Who is this brit that has been put out of work by Proctor riding for Sheffield because I cant find anyone who has averaged 8.26 current average or his rolling average ? We are in need of a replacement so let us know and we can try and fit him in.Cheers Erm, the one currently in your team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Various places/people. Are you saying you believe my facts to be wrong? YEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 YEP Go on then, what have I got wrong? I'm happy to be educated. Unlike a few on here who get arsey when someone disagrees with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Go on then, what have I got wrong? I'm happy to be educated. Unlike a few on here who get arsey when someone disagrees with them. Well said SCB. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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