G.b Squad

[sommelier]

 

Sorry but to me the squad is poor. Yes we have Tai and Bomber and a hot prospect in Lambert but the depths we have to go to now to get a squad is shocking compared to the Danes or the Poles.

 

I remember the days of Loram Havelock Screen Louis Doncaster Smith Cross Tatum Wigg all in the same British Finals and pick any of those 4 and what a force in a team event. And before that, before my time, the likes of Lee Carter Morton Pc and the like. British Speedway was thriving.

 

Now the Worrall brothers and Garrity are decent enough riders but discussing if they should be in a GB squad shows how far the standard of GB riders and has dropped and i dont mean that disrespectfully to those mentioned

When we look back how dominant the USA team was a number of years ago, we are not anyting like as depleted as they are!

[waiheke1]

And as a kiwi I' d be happy to be as "weak" as USA!

[Blazeaway]

Why no Schlein?

[TheCookster]

Why no Schlein?

 

I'm not sure whether you mean that question seriously, or whether you are just stirring the pot. But either way it would appear to be a valid question, especially after he represented the British team in the non-officially sanctioned pairs event recently.

 

Unless I have missed something (always possible), there doesn't appear to be anything in the rules that would preclude Rory Schlein from being entered as part of the GB team for this event.

 

The relevant regulations, as far as I can see being the following:

 

078.1.3 National teams

National teams (e.g. Danish team, British team) are nominated exclusively by their respective FMN. Riders of a national team must be holders of a passport of the country, which they represent.

I understand from a separate thread that Rory holds both British and Australian passports, so if this is true then he would meet this criterion.

 

078.3.1 Licences

Only riders with a current and valid FIM Track Racing World Championship licence will be allowed to take part in the SWC Championship meetings.

As far as I am aware, Rory would be able to meet this requirement too.

 

078.3.3 Entries

The riders from each team must be of the same nationality as the FMN that has nominated them.

If Rory holds both UK and Australian passports, then he clearly enjoys joint nationality, so he would indeed be of the same nationality if nominated by the British FMN.

 

Given that Rory has previously represented Australia in the Speedway World Cup and would be thought of by most as being an Australian, people may not think that he should be able to represent Great Britain, but it would appear that there is nothing in the regulations to say that he couldn't. (Providing he does have a British passport - and I am only taking somebody else's word for that.)

[The White Knight]

 

I'm not sure whether you mean that question seriously, or whether you are just stirring the pot. But either way it would appear to be a valid question, especially after he represented the British team in the non-officially sanctioned pairs event recently.

 

Unless I have missed something (always possible), there doesn't appear to be anything in the rules that would preclude Rory Schlein from being entered as part of the GB team for this event.

 

The relevant regulations, as far as I can see being the following:

 

078.1.3 National teams

National teams (e.g. Danish team, British team) are nominated exclusively by their respective FMN. Riders of a national team must be holders of a passport of the country, which they represent.

I understand from a separate thread that Rory holds both British and Australian passports, so if this is true then he would meet this criterion.

 

078.3.1 Licences

Only riders with a current and valid FIM Track Racing World Championship licence will be allowed to take part in the SWC Championship meetings.

As far as I am aware, Rory would be able to meet this requirement too.

 

078.3.3 Entries

The riders from each team must be of the same nationality as the FMN that has nominated them.

If Rory holds both UK and Australian passports, then he clearly enjoys joint nationality, so he would indeed be of the same nationality if nominated by the British FMN.

 

Given that Rory has previously represented Australia in the Speedway World Cup and would be thought of by most as being an Australian, people may not think that he should be able to represent Great Britain, but it would appear that there is nothing in the regulations to say that he couldn't. (Providing he does have a British passport - and I am only taking somebody else's word for that.)

Some would say deserved a chance after helping us out in the 'Pairs'.

[sommelier]

 

And as a kiwi I' d be happy to be as "weak" as USA!

i was at Eastbourne & Bradley Wilson Dean caught my eye, looks very good

[Hodgy]

Some would say deserved a chance after helping us out in the 'Pairs'.

Assume he was paid.

[The White Knight]

Assume he was paid.

Agreed - but - at least he was prepared to put in the effort.

[weatherwatcher]

When you sit and look at the state of British speedway these days, you only have to look now at just how few riders we have in the EL and just how many do we have as heat leaders. Most of our riders are still plying their trade in the PL and NL and unless the promoters can even come out of their shells and finally sign a few young British lads into the main body of the teams. They are just going to end up going nowhere. They are far to eager to sign up the overseas riders, to try and say that we are still one of the countries that they want to come and race at. This shows with the amount of riders who come over here at the start of the season and then do a bunk when Poland and Sweden start their seasons.

I for one would be more than happy to go and see teams with 5 or more British riders than some of the rubbish we get coming over here now.They just use the UK as a stop off to earn a few bob, before they go back home to make the big wages they pay.

If we want our lads to progress, then they have got to ride against far better riders than they are facing at the moment.

They are not getting this chance in the FTR and never will, alll it is doing is holding them back. At least 6 of those riders should now be riding at full team level this year. I was amazed when I saw they had been placed in the FTR again this year.

Who is, that fails to see that these lads, are our future British Team squad, and give them the chances they need.I

s it the promoters, it can't be anyone else. Have they not got the bottle, to move them up to full team honours. While bringing in oversease riders that are no better.

Bring in a British League, drop the prices. Then set up a series of meetings against the worlds other riders, give them the bit between their teeth and then hopefully, we will have more riders than we care to mention to be picked for the British squad.

Because as we are now come another 5 years. They will be in no potition to even field a British team.

[Tsunami]

When you sit and look at the state of British speedway these days, you only have to look now at just how few riders we have in the EL and just how many do we have as heat leaders. Most of our riders are still plying their trade in the PL and NL and unless the promoters can even come out of their shells and finally sign a few young British lads into the main body of the teams. They are just going to end up going nowhere. They are far to eager to sign up the overseas riders, to try and say that we are still one of the countries that they want to come and race at. This shows with the amount of riders who come over here at the start of the season and then do a bunk when Poland and Sweden start their seasons.

I for one would be more than happy to go and see teams with 5 or more British riders than some of the rubbish we get coming over here now.They just use the UK as a stop off to earn a few bob, before they go back home to make the big wages they pay.

If we want our lads to progress, then they have got to ride against far better riders than they are facing at the moment.

They are not getting this chance in the FTR and never will, alll it is doing is holding them back. At least 6 of those riders should now be riding at full team level this year. I was amazed when I saw they had been placed in the FTR again this year.

Who is, that fails to see that these lads, are our future British Team squad, and give them the chances they need.I

s it the promoters, it can't be anyone else. Have they not got the bottle, to move them up to full team honours. While bringing in oversease riders that are no better.

Bring in a British League, drop the prices. Then set up a series of meetings against the worlds other riders, give them the bit between their teeth and then hopefully, we will have more riders than we care to mention to be picked for the British squad.

Because as we are now come another 5 years. They will be in no potition to even field a British team.

You really do write a load of tosh.

Too many foreigners in the British leagues, so the BSPA bring in FTR riders in line with Sweden and Poland. It is in it's second year, and there are already plans to move up the better FTR riders into second string spots, and replacing them in the FTR with the better young riders. A conveyor belt for transition, when the riders have achieved a standard they can be moved onwards and upwards.

If you would try to keep up with developments instead of the usual criticism and tosh, you would see that a system of development is already in place and starting to produce.

[sommelier]

You really do write a load of tosh.

Too many foreigners in the British leagues, so the BSPA bring in FTR riders in line with Sweden and Poland. It is in it's second year, and there are already plans to move up the better FTR riders into second string spots, and replacing them in the FTR with the better young riders. A conveyor belt for transition, when the riders have achieved a standard they can be moved onwards and upwards.

If you would try to keep up with developments instead of the usual criticism and tosh, you would see that a system of development is already in place and starting to produce.

Totally agree with you, the signs are ther, it is starting to produce

[weatherwatcher]

It produced the goods last year, but where they rewarded for their efforts no, they where held back for another season. I can't wait to see what happens with them when next season starts and wait with baited breath to see how many get the chance that they should have had this year. The whole British speedway system is far to slow.

[Bruiser McHuge]

I do think that the fast track rider system was basically a money saving affair and it has definitely meant that having a top class fast track reserve is far more important than having a good number 1 in lots of ways...

At least if a team used to have a strong reserve then that rider would move into the top 5 after some good performances.....the whole 1 to 7 was much more fluid and teams were much fairer in my opinion.......yes, a good reserve used to win matches at times but they weren't there all season.....I remember Mark Loram cracking in double figure scores at reserve for Kings Lynn which was great for him and the team but he soon moved into the top 5 ......I don't like reserves being reserves for the season come what may and it's unfair in many ways and the fast track riders are far too influential for their actual ability.

And I think that just moving fast track riders into the top 5 next season and bringing in another batch of reserves is basically just watering down the league even more.....the fast track riders are very protected and not as good as many,of their scores would suggest....to then say they are top 5 riders is just wrong and will only weaken the Elite League even further than what it is now.....it may provide more top flight Brits but they will be a million miles away from being true international standard.

[TheCookster]

Good post. Some very pertinent points here Bruiser.

[Shale Searcher]

I think you also have to consider current form in general and the rider's history at this level, with that in mind I certainly wouldn't include Worrall and probably not King either.

No, we couldn't, but Denmark, Poland, et al could and have in the past to save em for the final!!!! That's what everyone's saying!! No depth!!

No, we couldn't, but Denmark, Poland, et al could and have in the past to save em for the final!!!! That's what everyone's saying!! No depth!!

Whoooops!! That is not the post I meant to quote, but I think what I say makes that obvious enough....

[Bagpuss]

More important than the FTR / EDR scheme are the changes that the NL have made this year.....far less journeymen and many more rookies in that league now which is as it should be and will hopefully lead to more graduates for the PL, and then the EL and so on. Should have happened years ago.

[SCB]

Is it too late to put Lanham in the squad?!

[weatherwatcher]

It looks like Tai put in a lack luster performance. Was it a case of, he wants to save it for the night and just cruised home. But I doubt he would have done that, or has he just forgotten how to set his bikes up for over here.

He has never seemed to that very well at Lynne, so he he the right choice on the night. For the British team place.?????

[Bruiser McHuge]

It looks like Tai put in a lack luster performance. Was it a case of, he wants to save it for the night and just cruised home. But I doubt he would have done that, or has he just forgotten how to set his bikes up for over here.

He has never seemed to that very well at Lynne, so he he the right choice on the night. For the British team place.?????

 

The speedwayGP website says he was on borrowed equipment....so I assume that's true.........I think he said beforehand that he had no bikes over here so would need to sort something out.....well he obviously didn't think it worthwhile to actually bring his own bikes across and I suppose you can't blame him...he was always going to make the cut whatever bike he rode and even if he didn't then they were never going to not give him a wildcard were they !...he probably thought it wasn't worth the expense.

[phillipsr]

also fell whilst leaidng in his last race which would of won him the meeting... If anything it proves how far he ahead he is of everyone else that he can ride a NL bike and still qualify with ease

Edited May 22, 2015 by phillipsr