oldace Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Na, na, na, na, na, na! It's just like being back in the infant school playground! Well it wasn't until you came along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BWitcher Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) This is what makes this all the more ludicrous. The USA pulled out of the event, because they couldn't find a qualified American rider to partner Greg Hancock ... only for Great Britain to replace them with a mixed nationality team. - Credibility out of the window at a rapid rate of knots! Surely for the credibility of British speedway we should have at least fielded two genuinely British riders, even if it meant using a rider of a lesser standard than the manager would have liked. I find it impossible to believe that absolutely no British rider was available. (And yes, I have heard all the excuses about equipment and having the logistical set-up to get there and back, etc. ... Hell, it wouldn't be the first time a speedway rider borrowed a bike if he needed to!) The USA neither entered or withdrew from the tournament. The team management or the AMA were never spoken to regarding the event. The promoters solely did a deal with Greg Hancock as they would with any challenge meeting. It really isn't a difficult concept to understand. Edited May 11, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 TBF, as much as I have very little time for One Sport, I have to agree with those who say it makes GB Speedway look shoddy and amateur when we're agreeing to ride and then sending an Aussie! A NL standard Brit would have been much better IMO, even if they did roll around at the back - but lets not forget, Manzares is only a PL 5.5 rider and he did alright, we have plenty of them, are we really saying not one of them could make it? If the BSPA are going to allow the Team GB name to be used they should be taking it serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 This is what makes this all the more ludicrous. The USA pulled out of the event, because they couldn't find a qualified American rider to partner Greg Hancock ... only for Great Britain to replace them with a mixed nationality team. - Credibility out of the window at a rapid rate of knots! Surely for the credibility of British speedway we should have at least fielded two genuinely British riders, even if it meant using a rider of a lesser standard than the manager would have liked. I find it impossible to believe that absolutely no British rider was available. (And yes, I have heard all the excuses about equipment and having the logistical set-up to get there and back, etc. ... Hell, it wouldn't be the first time a speedway rider borrowed a bike if he needed to!) Who really cares? It wasn't a serious international event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Who really cares? It wasn't a serious international event. Well, you clearly don't care ... which is fine. But equally it seems that there are plenty on this forum and who were in the Esbjerg stadium on Saturday and who were watching on their televisions around the world who do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 TBF, as much as I have very little time for One Sport, I have to agree with those who say it makes GB Speedway look shoddy and amateur when we're agreeing to ride and then sending an Aussie! A NL standard Brit would have been much better IMO, even if they did roll around at the back - but lets not forget, Manzares is only a PL 5.5 rider and he did alright, we have plenty of them, are we really saying not one of them could make it? If the BSPA are going to allow the Team GB name to be used they should be taking it serious. Not so simple. Do you really think OneSport would have accepted a NL rider? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not so simple. Do you really think OneSport would have accepted a NL rider? I don't know, though I am not sure that it would have been necessary. They obviously accepted Deddens for Germany - I am not sure where he is riding this season, but last season he was riding in the 2. Bundesliga, which would be roughly equivalent to British NL, so perhaps they would have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Well, you clearly don't care ... which is fine. But equally it seems that there are plenty on this forum and who were in the Esbjerg stadium on Saturday and who were watching on their televisions around the world who do. I like Best Pairs meetings and if it had been convenient for me then I might be interested in watching/going, but it would be interest in the same way that I'd watch any other speedway meeting. I don't consider this particular competition to be anything more than a glorified open meeting, and I'm certainly not going to get concerned by who's in the made-up teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 . I don't consider this particular competition to be anything more than a glorified open meeting Again, that is fine - but as has been demonstrated, there are a good many who do not share that viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not so simple. Do you really think OneSport would have accepted a NL rider? TBF, I'm being pretty extreme when I suggest a NL rider. In reality we have many riders with a PL average of 5.5 or more, making them better than Manzares* who has ridden two rounds this year. *only using him as he is the lowest average British League rider so we have a direct comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 So riders were invited independently and not nominated by the ACU/BSPA. Tai and Scott Nicholls were originally invited, was Rob Lambert contacted at this time too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) The USA neither entered or withdrew from the tournament. The team management or the AMA were never spoken to regarding the event. The promoters solely did a deal with Greg Hancock as they would with any challenge meeting. It really isn't a difficult concept to understand. When it was clear there couldn't be an American pair in this open meeting, the promoter (OneSport) invited Tai Woffinden and Scott Nicholls to compete. For reasons best known to themselves, the BSPA/SCB refused Scott Nicholls start permission, despite his having accepted the booking and having no conflicting Belle Vue engagement. Despite everyone being aware and the BSPA (correctly) reminding everyone who would listen at every opportunity that this was an unofficial open event without any official status, Alun Rossiter became involved in (presumably) picking the riders and (worse) attending the event -- why? This was only giving credibility to an event our people have been anxious to rubbish at every turn. Why was only Scott Nicholls barred by the UK authorities from taking part? And -- will Rory Schlein be handed one of the wild cards for the British Final as a thank-you? Edited May 11, 2015 by smod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonian Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 People are forgetting that many PL (and NL) riders might of had meetings sunday too, meaning leaves no time to get back from Denmark to race for their teams (i.e Kerr & Worrall at Newcastle). Rosco explained that he was also left with very little choice as a lot of riders simply couldn't afford to get to denmark, or have the right equipment ready in such a short space of time. Luckily Lambert was already their as he was going to be the reserve. Personally, although its not great to see a non-GB rider respresenting us, so many other sports see their teams with guys who have represented different countries at junior level etc and no one seems to be bothered about that. Massive hats of to Rory for helping us out and putting in a solid performance. The guy has been involved with british speedway for 15+ years, has an english wife and kids, has british citizenship, and also spends his out of season here too. Thats good enough for me, and he certainly didn't offer a lacklust display so seems he was happy to do so too! People getting in such a tiff about nothing for me.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 People getting in such a tiff about nothing for me.... But the whole point of forums such as this is so that people can get worked up about nothing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 People are forgetting that many PL (and NL) riders might of had meetings sunday too, meaning leaves no time to get back from Denmark to race for their teams (i.e Kerr & Worrall at Newcastle). Rosco explained that he was also left with very little choice as a lot of riders simply couldn't afford to get to denmark, or have the right equipment ready in such a short space of time. Luckily Lambert was already their as he was going to be the reserve. Personally, although its not great to see a non-GB rider respresenting us, so many other sports see their teams with guys who have represented different countries at junior level etc and no one seems to be bothered about that. Massive hats of to Rory for helping us out and putting in a solid performance. The guy has been involved with british speedway for 15+ years, has an english wife and kids, has british citizenship, and also spends his out of season here too. Thats good enough for me, and he certainly didn't offer a lacklust display so seems he was happy to do so too! People getting in such a tiff about nothing for me.... Where was Scott Nicholls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 If the BSPA/SCB are prepared to commit a Team to Ride to represent our Country - it should be up to them to guarantee that, in this instance, two British Riders are nominated to ride in the Event. If they cannot do this then they should respectfully apologise and withdraw from the said Event. Can anyone please inform us as to why Scott Nicholls was effectively banned from this Event? Surely restriction in Trade must come in to this somewhere. They are preventing him earning money from the Meeting. I just wonder if the Powers that be are reacting (getting their own back) to Scott's refusal to ride for the National Team at the SWC. If that is so - it is rather childish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I nearly suggest that Greg Hancock and Robert Lambert could have been paired together but thought that many people would think it silly at the very least. Why? Hancock rode for Poole. :shock: :rofl: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtree123 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Can somebody administer the injection for British Speedway and put it out of its misery. Its frankly embarrassing to accept an invite to a competition and then have an Aussie representing us Fair play to Rory Schlein for doing it. Good job Robert Lambert decided to be a Brit after all or it would be an Aussie and a German. British Speedway really is a shambles Frankly ANY British rider would be a better bet than Rory Schlein (again no disrespect to him) as he is not even qualified to ride for GB Why all the negativity about young Robert Lambert deciding to be British??? He is British through an through, he has a British Passport just because he holds a different licence, why pick on him I watched the meeting and he didn't disgrace himself, he put in a really good performance for his age and I just hope he will be a reserve at the world cup, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Why all the negativity about young Robert Lambert deciding to be British??? He is British through an through, he has a British Passport just because he holds a different licence, why pick on him I watched the meeting and he didn't disgrace himself, he put in a really good performance for his age and I just hope he will be a reserve at the world cup, I apologise, no negativity intended, I was using it to make a point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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