SCB Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Ok then so how come Robert Lambert can compete at team level for team GB yet can go through the GP qualifiers on a German licence................ That is like saying that Tai can ride for Team GB but oh if you want you can ride for Australia................. RP PS If I am wrong then why has it been like that in the past.............. Because the GP qualifiers and riding in the SWC are not the same. You ride in the SWC for the country you have a passport for. You ride in the GP qualifier for whoever your have a license for, riders can take out any license they like. In the past Simon Wigg took out a Dutch license I believe but he was still British, Rory Schlein has a British license but he's still an Australian. Robert Lambert can only ride for GB in the SWC, he cannot ride for German. But he can only ride in the GP qualifiers as a German because he hasa German license. It's not like that for Tai at all, he has neither an Australian license to ride in the GPs as one, or an Australian passport to ride in the SWC for them You are wrong and it has NEVER been like that in the past.You're mixing up apples (the World Championship) and pears (the World Cup). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 This lot played in the England cricket team all at the same time:- Andrew Strauss Jonathan Trott Kevin Petersen Matt Prior..... Why do people get so hung up on this? Strauss and Prior may have been born in South Africa, but spent their formative years in England which to my mind is more important than an accident of birth. Pietersen also had an English mother, so that only leaves Trott as someone without any strong connection to England. Morgan admittedly is a bit of mercenary given that he actually played for Ireland before playing for England, but Ireland aren't a test side so you can hardly blame him for having some ambition. Plenty of foreign born players have also played for Australia down the years, and for other test sides as well. It's what happened because of the Empire connections. International competition is becoming farcical anyway, what with ever increasing mobility and passport tourism. It was an odd concept in the first place, that you should represent your country of birth rather than where you spend your formativeyears. You are wrong and it has NEVER been like that in the past.You're mixing up apples (the World Championship) and pears (the World Cup). Well not exactly, as Kiwis certainly rode for Great Britain in the past, but that was more because it was an ACU representative side in those days (Australia and NZ coming under the auspices of the ACU until 1975 and 1984? respectively). There was also a Scottish side in the World Pairs for a few years, and there were no Scottish passport or licenses then (or now). As with so much in speedway, the rules have been made up as the sport goes along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Blooming superb Rory Schlein in for GB !. This should be standard any Aussie or NZ rider part of the Queens Commonwealth should be eligible for GB!thats how it used to be. Back in the day we used have Ivan; Briggo, Ronnie in a GB jacket and smashed em all out of sight We need to expand this so Rosco needs to explore more avenues to get Roos into GB jackets!. With a fully fledged Right Govt now firmly in place I expect to see scrapping of Visa requirements for Commonwealth sportsmen and a full merger of all Anzac riders into the GB pool. Speedway implements UKIP policy straight off! I love it. Roscos a top man. Edited May 10, 2015 by the outsider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 And all the Braveheart MP's who are going to he joining the English Parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I know that Kylmakorpi is.........you can ride for the country that holds you hold the licence for but I was lead to believe that for team events if you had ridden for one country in an FIM event you could not ride for a different one.................unless that has changed recently.............. RP Well Kylmäkorpi have ridden for Finland in the SWC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_national_speedway_team but is now listed in the preliminary Swedish SWC squad: http://www.svemo.se/sv/Grenar/Speedway/Nyheter/SverigestrupptillSpeedwayWorldCup2015/ Although he does have both Finnish and Swedish citizenship. Imo the whole licensing thing needs to be straightening out. We have riders like Rasmus Jensen who are doing the Danish GP qualifiers on Danish license (I presume) since he is Danish but at the same time he will use a Swedish license when he rides for his Swedish league team Dackarna, Imo he should be forced to choose, either Danish qualifiers on a Danish license or Swedish league on a Swedish license but not both. Edited May 10, 2015 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 To me it doesn't matter whether this was an FIM event or not, it doesn't matter whether Mauger and Briggs used to represent GB..this is advertised as a national pairs event, it's advertised as riders representing their country and the fact that Schlein is a proper Aussie representing GB is a farce and cannot be dressed up any other way......not Schlein's fault but farcial for British speedway all the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 To me it doesn't matter whether this was an FIM event or not, it doesn't matter whether Mauger and Briggs used to represent GB..this is advertised as a national pairs event, it's advertised as riders representing their country and the fact that Schlein is a proper Aussie representing GB is a farce and cannot be dressed up any other way......not Schlein's fault but farcial for British speedway all the same. So if I organise a made-up speedway event and bill it as between 'national teams', should it still be taken seriously? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Think Rory has ACU license as rode in sec qualifier in Daugavpils last year in one of the nominated GB places. Unlike yesterday that would be an official fim event 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 To me it doesn't matter whether this was an FIM event or not, it doesn't matter whether Mauger and Briggs used to represent GB..this is advertised as a national pairs event, it's advertised as riders representing their country and the fact that Schlein is a proper Aussie representing GB is a farce and cannot be dressed up any other way......not Schlein's fault but farcial for British speedway all the same. Then voice your displeasure at the promoters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Marcelina Rutkowska was nice and easy on the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Cold shower for you, Triple H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's irrelevent whether riders are born in Britain, Australia or Outer Mongolia. It's irrelevent which licences they have or which passports they have, The meeting was just an open meeting/challenge meeting. The question I would like to know the answer to is how are the Poles allowed to use the Great Britain team name in their open meeting? I believe the Great Britain name should only be used by riders representing Britain in official FIM events or ACU/SCB sanctioned test matches. Have the ACU/SCB given a Polish promoter permission to use our national team name? And if so, why??? I believe they charge Long Eaton and Milton Keynes a hefty fee to use those club names in the Junior Leagues, yet they seem to be giving away our National team name for a Polish promoter to take the mickey out of and bring it into disrepute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Cold shower for you, Triple HI'll take my punishment if she pops round to wash my back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 This speedway event tonight was not a FIM speedway event. I will repeat again that this was the Speedway Pairs Cup and by enlarge an invitational meeting at best which David Rowe on Eurosport explained and pointed out quite well. I have been saying this until I am blue in the face all afternoon. If indeed it had been a FIM meeting then the chosen riders at the beginning of the week would have most likely have had to have ridden tonight apart from Craig Cook who admitted him self that he was unfit. Excuse me tell me where I said it was an FIM event................I did not...........if you read all my posts you would have seen that..............talk about a knee jerk reaction.................. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Marcelina Rutkowska was nice and easy on the eye. She certainly wasn't picked for her brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 She is doing interviews not in her native language Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 To me it doesn't matter whether this was an FIM event or not, it doesn't matter whether Mauger and Briggs used to represent GB..this is advertised as a national pairs event, it's advertised as riders representing their country and the fact that Schlein is a proper Aussie representing GB is a farce and cannot be dressed up any other way......not Schlein's fault but farcial for British speedway all the same. Agree, absolute embarrassing farce - and what an awful meeting too. On a positive young Lambert was on the pace and impressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Rory Schlein is a British passport holder due to residency Sort of an 'off-duty' Aussie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Which other riders were available for tonight's meeting if you think that they could of done better. You are missing the point I am making. Its not about finding someone who could do better, if the team is badged as a GB team (which it was) then the riders representing GB should be bleedin British. I really couldn't care less whether they would score more points than Rory Schlein or not I say it again, there is no criticism of Schlein, he at least had the passion to ride in a meeting but it shouldn't happen. And people can talk about cricket and how we have overseas riders, well that's doing well for the national team isn't it. And what happened 40 or 50 years ago in Speedway is completely irrelevant British speedway is in a mess and being unable/not bothering to find a GB rider to represent GB is pathetic at every level. Of course we could argue that the meeting should not be allowed to use country names for meetings like this as well So for the World Cup who are we looking at, lets wait and see who the Aussies, Poles, Swedes and Danes leave out of their squads. As long as they have had a holiday in the UK that surely qualifies them Its pathetic 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 You are missing the point I am making. Its not about finding someone who could do better, if the team is badged as a GB team (which it was) then the riders representing GB should be bleedin British. I really couldn't care less whether they would score more points than Rory Schlein or not I say it again, there is no criticism of Schlein, he at least had the passion to ride in a meeting but it shouldn't happen. And people can talk about cricket and how we have overseas riders, well that's doing well for the national team isn't it. And what happened 40 or 50 years ago in Speedway is completely irrelevant British speedway is in a mess and being unable/not bothering to find a GB rider to represent GB is pathetic at every level. Of course we could argue that the meeting should not be allowed to use country names for meetings like this as well So for the World Cup who are we looking at, lets wait and see who the Aussies, Poles, Swedes and Danes leave out of their squads. As long as they have had a holiday in the UK that surely qualifies them Its pathetic Sadly - I have to agree with this Post. It is a disgrace that we couldn't find somebody British to ride for us. To what level has British Speedway sunk that this is the case? A bit surprised to see 'Roscoe' there for what was, in reality, just 'filler' Meeting with no relevance whatsoever to British Speedway apart from one Rider. All very sad really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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