BWitcher Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 I did follow the conversation and it is perfectly clear to me what The Third Man is implying. Whether I agree or disagree with that implication in neither here nor there, but his implication was nevertheless perfectly clear. Correct it was, he was inferring that the Premier league is a VERY poor standard, which is what I said. Yet he was using said argument to refute the suggestion that the EL is better. Hence it was ridiculous.. It's quite simple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel'n'Back Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Why has Whethers been given granted to ride in UK now but Ty has ridden season so far but can't , stinks to me...BSPA useless.... British/World Superbikes for me in the future, speedway is such an common less sport to me! ta ta Edited May 13, 2015 by Hel'n'Back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 First chance I've had to watch this SKY match. Great too see Glasgow packed out and what a great jo is being done there. Decent track and racing too. Why were the SKY graphics saying that the reserve spots were EL draft ones? The PL has already made it clear it wants to do its own thing. 2 of the riders (Bates and Sarjeant ) qualify but already have an established PL average so are invalid. The other 2 don't even qualify for the FTD. Always good to see PL action on SKY for a change and Glasgow cone out with plenty of credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Why were the SKY graphics saying that the reserve spots were EL draft ones? The PL has already made it clear it wants to do its own thing. 2 of the riders (Bates and Sarjeant ) qualify but already have an established PL average so are invalid. The other 2 don't even qualify for the FTD. Always good to see PL action on SKY for a change and Glasgow cone out with plenty of credit. I think it was just a mistake and they forgot to change the graphics (though I wouldn't rule out laziness) more than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Correct it was, he was inferring that the Premier league is a VERY poor standard, which is what I said. Yet he was using said argument to refute the suggestion that the EL is better. Hence it was ridiculous.. It's quite simple. No, that isn't what he was inferring, so stop being silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlead Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 He couldn't help himself - he's from Barnsley! Wouldn't have been so bad if he'd remembered how he took out Konopka on the third bend at Sheffield (Redcar meeting) after the Pole had just executed a superb pass on him. However if he'd walked across and helped Konopka up last night I think the ref would've excluded the Pole. From the TV replays last night Bates was leading (slightly)up to bend (didn't lift) but moved out slightly to take the one racing line there was around the third/fourth bends. Konopka could've avoided the incident by coming off the gas, but decided to go for it. Simple as that. As for the superb team riding from Summers that followed, all he was doing was the same thing, taking the one wider line around the bends forcing Birks to come off the gas every time. How could Konopka have avoided the crash??Konopka didn't move off his line Bates had his arm on Konpkas shoulder, and quite clearly pushed him down, this was both stupid and dangerous!! I can understand Jack Lee defending his rider when being interviewed, but I hope he had a quite word with him, he has lots of potential, but is reckless at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Bates and Nathan Greaves are both examples of the bike taking them round rather than being in control of the bike at times.Garrity is another one who likes to wave his legs about and that came back to bite him on tue.Havvy keeps saying that is not the way to ride a bike but Garrity seems to be turning a deaf ear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 How could Konopka have avoided the crash??Konopka didn't move off his line Bates had his arm on Konpkas shoulder, and quite clearly pushed him down, this was both stupid and dangerous!! I can understand Jack Lee defending his rider when being interviewed, but I hope he had a quite word with him, he has lots of potential, but is reckless at times. I have some sympathy for the referee's predicament in this kind of situation. As the rules stand, the referee had no option but to exclude someone. In this instance, I would also have ultimately excluded Bates from the re-run, but as Kelvin Tatum pointed out in his commentary, it was harsh and the kind of 'racing incident' where neither rider was really solely to blame. This isn't the first and won't be the last time that this kind of scenario comes up. Perhaps it needs an amendment to the rules in order to allow the referee to declare a "racing incident" option, where neither rider is excluded from the re-run. (Though that could potentially lead to a whole new set of issues too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 You see it that way I see it another all about opinions in the end but because I see it differently to good old gavan I'm being biased apparently! Yep I'm sure if it was the same incident at Armadale with Bates having one of your reserves off your opinion would be no different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 No, that isn't what he was inferring, so stop being silly. That is what he said. It's really very basic. He claims the EL is a poor standard... the PL is lower.. so by definition that makes it a very poor standard. It's not complicated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 That is what he said. It's really very basic. He claims the EL is a poor standard... the PL is lower.. so by definition that makes it a very poor standard. It's not complicated. You are deliberately misinterpreting what he said, as I am sure The Third Man will clarify in due course. In the meantime this "Yes, it is" - "No, it isn't" game of tennis doesn't really belong on this thread, where I am sure it will just be an annoyance to other people, so if you still can't help but respond, put it on a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) You are deliberately misinterpreting what he said, as I am sure The Third Man will clarify in due course. In the meantime this "Yes, it is" - "No, it isn't" game of tennis doesn't really belong on this thread, where I am sure it will just be an annoyance to other people, so if you still can't help but respond, put it on a PM. Take your own advice. I've explained what he said. Its blatantly clear what he said and the implications of it, if you don't have the intelligence to understand the English language, that is your problem. Waihekaces is an intelligent guy and clearly he understands. Edited May 14, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 However, some of us have the intelligence A modest man, with much to be modest about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" .................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 How could Konopka have avoided the crash??Konopka didn't move off his line Bates had his arm on Konpkas shoulder, and quite clearly pushed him down, this was both stupid and dangerous!! I can understand Jack Lee defending his rider when being interviewed, but I hope he had a quite word with him, he has lots of potential, but is reckless at times.Like I said Konopka could have eased off the throttle, it does work both ways! Yes Bates did have his arm on Konopkas' shoulder, because he leaned into Bates as they entered the bend. Where does a riders right arm go then when they turn the handlebars to the right? Tend to think the Pole was looking to even things up for what happened a few weeks ago at Sheffield! By the way no one has been more critical of Master Bates on this forum than me about his juvenile attitude and sometimes thoughtless on track actions during the last two seasons, but having seen the incident several times, I stick to my view. Everyone has their own opinion on 'racing incidents' including referees and sometimes a riders reputation helps make up a refs' mind, you only have to look at how many times Nicki Pedersen has been excluded after 50/50 'incidents'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 How could Konopka have avoided the crash??Konopka didn't move off his line Bates had his arm on Konpkas shoulder, and quite clearly pushed him down, this was both stupid and dangerous!! I can understand Jack Lee defending his rider when being interviewed, but I hope he had a quite word with him, he has lots of potential, but is reckless at times. The crash was 50/50 IMHO.Bates didn't really veer much off his line and Konopka did try leaning on him. Both were trying to get their elbows in to take control of their racing lines. I can see why the ref made the call he did but it could have gone either way. Bates is by no means the only guilty party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I think that was one of the most 50/50 crashes I've ever seen. What probably swung it was Bates reaction. Though if I'd be the referee, after allowing Lawson to wallop into Garrity (who should have thrown himself on the floor - as he'd have got a re-run) I'd have evened it up and excluded the Glasgow rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I think that was one of the most 50/50 crashes I've ever seen. What probably swung it was Bates reaction. Though if I'd be the referee, after allowing Lawson to wallop into Garrity (who should have thrown himself on the floor - as he'd have got a re-run) I'd have evened it up and excluded the Glasgow rider. absolutely !! garritys race was ended prematurely (pure racing incident) even though he didn't fall exactly the same racing incident saw konopka fall so bates gets excluded ... no consistency 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I watched the meeting today on Sky. Must say I am thoughly impressed with the work that has been done on the stadium. We could do with a few more stadiums like this one up and down the country. To all the Glascow fans up there. You should all be very proud, of what has been done. Good luck to the team, they derserves the win, just shows you what can be done by the right people who are totally behind a club. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I really enjoyed the meeting between two ambitious clubs and fair play to Glasgow the track and improvements look superb.I watch the EL everyweek but i really enjoy PL racing a decent product and i do prefer PL racing.Being selfish i would love Glasgow,Berwick,Sheffield (great track) Newcastle,Scunny to move up into the EL only if it was viable of course it will never happen would be great though different tracks a great day out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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