Tsunami Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I really enjoyed the meeting between two ambitious clubs and fair play to Glasgow the track and improvements look superb.I watch the EL everyweek but i really enjoy PL racing a decent product and i do prefer PL racing.Being selfish i would love Glasgow,Berwick,Sheffield (great track) Newcastle,Scunny to move up into the EL only if it was viable of course it will never happen would be great though different tracks a great day out. The difficulty sidney is that whilst it would increase the strength of the EL numerically, the teams involved would only be the strength of the PL due to the lack of class riders to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Â I have some sympathy for the referee's predicament in this kind of situation. As the rules stand, the referee had no option but to exclude someone. In this instance, I would also have ultimately excluded Bates from the re-run, but as Kelvin Tatum pointed out in his commentary, it was harsh and the kind of 'racing incident' where neither rider was really solely to blame. Â This isn't the first and won't be the last time that this kind of scenario comes up. Perhaps it needs an amendment to the rules in order to allow the referee to declare a "racing incident" option, where neither rider is excluded from the re-run. (Though that could potentially lead to a whole new set of issues too.) Â If a referee genuinely can't distinguish who is at fault, then maybe he needs to exclude both riders!! Now that decision would lead to a new set of issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015  If a referee genuinely can't distinguish who is at fault, then maybe he needs to exclude both riders!! Now that decision would lead to a new set of issues  I suspect you're right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Â If a referee genuinely can't distinguish who is at fault, then maybe he needs to exclude both riders!! Now that decision would lead to a new set of issues Saw that happen at Armadale in about 1998 when both Jesper Olsen and Scott lamb were excluded in a racing incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I really enjoyed the meeting between two ambitious clubs and fair play to Glasgow the track and improvements look superb.I watch the EL everyweek but i really enjoy PL racing a decent product and i do prefer PL racing.Being selfish i would love Glasgow,Berwick,Sheffield (great track) Newcastle,Scunny to move up into the EL only if it was viable of course it will never happen would be great though different tracks a great day out. Â Strange selection of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Â Strange selection of clubs. Top stadia or great racing strips. Newcastle - you decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 But not Scotland's finest racing strip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Like I said Konopka could have eased off the throttle, it does work both ways! Yes Bates did have his arm on Konopkas' shoulder, because he leaned into Bates as they entered the bend. Where does a riders right arm go then when they turn the handlebars to the right? Tend to think the Pole was looking to even things up for what happened a few weeks ago at Sheffield! By the way no one has been more critical of Master Bates on this forum than me about his juvenile attitude and sometimes thoughtless on track actions during the last two seasons, but having seen the incident several times, I stick to my view. Everyone has their own opinion on 'racing incidents' including referees and sometimes a riders reputation helps make up a refs' mind, you only have to look at how many times Nicki Pedersen has been excluded after 50/50 'incidents'. Â If Konopka had eased off the throttle, then when Bates made his turn into corner he would have been totally wiped out! The only way to avoid a crash was for both riders to go round bend side by side, and for that to happen Bates needed to turn LEFT, not right as you point out he did, marginally earlier than Konopka. IF Bates had leaned when Konopka did to take the bend and turned LEFT they stood a chance of entering bend together, however Bates didn't want to allow Konopka round top of him (quite understandably) and therefore tried to push him out which as we all saw resulted in coming together and both coming off. I don't think in any way it was dirty, but he tried to be hard and "bully" Konopka, but just didn't quite have track position (and skill) to do it, likewise Konopka didn't have skill to get himself out of the position he was in and get round Bates. Â Ultimately totally correct decision by ref as one of them had to go. Top stadia or great racing strips. Newcastle - you decide. Â Or do they just like the Quayside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Top stadia or great racing strips. Newcastle - you decide. Neither? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Strange selection of clubs.Why? Sheffield are top notch, Berwick Glasgow,Scunny all good set ups great entertainment Newcastle i loved them being in the old BL for a season was a great day out .Somerset who i forgot they have a great set up to but i know it will never happen the EL will always be a 8 to 10 team league which is such a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 But not Scotland's finest racing strip? Yes, sidney did include Glasgow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Why? Sheffield are top notch, Berwick Glasgow,Scunny all good set ups great entertainment Newcastle i loved them being in the old BL for a season was a great day out .Somerset who i forgot they have a great set up to but i know it will never happen the EL will always be a 8 to 10 team league which is such a shame. Â Unless they decide to try the one, combined league format again, as they did in 1996! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Not sure too many folk say the entertainment is that great at Berwick. Â And Peterborough is probably the most exciting track in the country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Why? Sheffield are top notch, Berwick Glasgow,Scunny all good set ups great entertainment Newcastle i loved them being in the old BL for a season was a great day out .Somerset who i forgot they have a great set up to but i know it will never happen the EL will always be a 8 to 10 team league which is such a shame. Â There you go Tsunami - nothing to do with the track or stadia - its the nightlife 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Why? Sheffield are top notch, Berwick Glasgow,Scunny all good set ups great entertainment Newcastle i loved them being in the old BL for a season was a great day out .Somerset who i forgot they have a great set up to but i know it will never happen the EL will always be a 8 to 10 team league which is such a shame. Â Berwick and entertainment in the same sentence surely not! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015  Unbelievable the ridiculous statements that get made.  Thats why I had to reply, surely a rider belongs to the lowest league he rides in not the highest, otherwise why would an EL rider want to ride in PL It's title suggests its the Elite, i.e. the highest standard league in the UK. If you can name me a league in the UK that is of a higher standard, then you would be correct that it's weaker than its name suggests.  so because something has a title that makes it that thing, and anyway which word is the "higher" word  Elite or Premier, something else open to interpretation and opinion.  and shouldn't a leagues title be its lowest common denominator, and not a few riders at the top, so perhaps the EL should be known as the NL plus, just an opinion of course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post george.m Posted May 14, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) What a fabulous night for all involved in Glasgow speedway. Only now is my adrenaline level coming back to normal. To think we've spent the last few close seasons wondering if we're going to run and now we have a stadium and team to be proud of. Can we ever thank enough all those involved in making this happen? Speedway is now a big sport in Glasgow again ... a return to the good old days. I suspect this is only the start of something much bigger ... nothing would surprise me now. Â As for our team, pre-match nowadays when I look down the heats I see strength in each race. Young guys. Hungry. Never say die attitude. Loads of potential for personal growth. Great to support. Â To the meeting ... The new stadium entrance is superb - how long before it needs to be increased in size? The shop location is ideal - I've spent more on tat in the last 4 meetings than the all previous seasons put together - how many pens do you need? No doubt I'll buy another next meeting. The crowd - jesus, what an attendance and full of enthusiasm. The atmosphere in the crowd was awesome and shows that a Glasgow public will respond if you dish up the right package. The track - Looked superb. After attending so many meetings, only now that I've seen it on TV can I really appreciate the 3rd and 4th bend issues. And doesn't that banking look brilliant. The promotion have had much criticism over it in the past. Now we can see it was the right decision, just not executed right before this season. Two track records - the first in the rain let's not forget. The second in heat 5 by a kid! Josh G in heat 11 - awesome ride! Â Have watched the Bates/Konopka incident several times now. Would ask anyone who thinks Konopka was at fault what would you do in the same circumstances? You're holding your line, a rider appears from the left in your vision and you've got the fence close on your right? If you think you could have avoided it, don't waste your time on here - fulfil your potential quick, get on a bike and get into the GPs pronto! Â Josh Bates - Thanks for the 'afters' entertainment, what was that - air guitar or air boxing? Comedy genius! Credit to the other 13 riders for putting on a show - great racing, loads of wheelies - a good show kept the crowd happy. Special mention - Andre Compton - good to see your confidence back. Â Brilliant night. In a word - 'pure entertainment'! Edited May 14, 2015 by george.m 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) The difficulty sidney is that whilst it would increase the strength of the EL numerically, the teams involved would only be the strength of the PL due to the lack of class riders to go around.Great point i think the PL at this time is a pretty good product, really for me the EL could be in big trouble certainly if sky tv pull out.Berwick and entertainment in the same sentence surely not!Travel South Blobby you might enjoy it. Edited May 14, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Â Travel South Blobby you might enjoy it. Â Take it you haven't been to Berwick recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I know its about opinions, but anyone remotley thinking Bates shouldnt have been excluded ........is wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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