Berwick V Workington (lc) Saturday, May 2

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

I remember when Peter announced that he was moving on, some of the most vocal critics just disappeared.

Hopefully, if we are in that situation again (which I hope we are not), they will step up to the mark this time.

 

Or, it will be gone forever. It would never get back through planning again.

 

It goes back to the old saying, be careful what you wish for.

Just a point on planning Scott, there is a 5 year window before planning permission is required, so if the promotion walked away from Berwick Speedway, it can be restarted within 5 years without planning process.

 

On a second point, it is more than apparent there is unease with the customer base at Berwick Speedway, it shows in the ever decreasing attendance and also from a very vocal group of fans, who are willing to air their views. If I had not satisfied any of my customers, I would much rather they told me, than never to return. Every one of those very vocal fans bleed Berwick Bandits Speedway, not one single person among them want speedway to fold, so it is unfair to deny a paying customer of their opinion, whether it is welcomed or not.

 

Third point on the track, as suggested in the past ask the riders what they thought, so I did, I asked 6 of them for obvious reasons could not ask the 7th. I got an official answer from some and an honest answer from the others, my conclusion is the majority of the riders were not happy with the track preperation. One rider said we told them what we wanted and they prepared it in that way but it did not come out the way it should have done.

[Goodiepatchie]

Just a point on planning Scott, there is a 5 year window before planning permission is required, so if the promotion walked away from Berwick Speedway, it can be restarted within 5 years without planning process.

 

On a second point, it is more than apparent there is unease with the customer base at Berwick Speedway, it shows in the ever decreasing attendance and also from a very vocal group of fans, who are willing to air their views. If I had not satisfied any of my customers, I would much rather they told me, than never to return. Every one of those very vocal fans bleed Berwick Bandits Speedway, not one single person among them want speedway to fold, so it is unfair to deny a paying customer of their opinion, whether it is welcomed or not.

 

Third point on the track, as suggested in the past ask the riders what they thought, so I did, I asked 6 of them for obvious reasons could not ask the 7th. I got an official answer from some and an honest answer from the others, my conclusion is the majority of the riders were not happy with the track preperation. One rider said we told them what we wanted and they prepared it in that way but it did not come out the way it should have done.

five years or ten or more can you really see anyone taking it over ?

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

five years or ten or more can you really see anyone taking it over ?

If It was taken over on a business footing, then no. If it were to be taken over with someone wearing their heart on their sleeve, then yes. If you were buying a business like this you would only purchase the value of it's assets, as it is unlikely to have any 'Good Will' value.

[screm]

 

Sadly, many others did. Those responsible should consider their position.

 

In what way, the only way a customer can consider their position is do I go or not, Berwick`s support is dwindling on a weekly bases, surely we need to encourage more along. Your not one of the "hoy them out" brigade are you, we have one on here already.

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

 

In what way, the only way a customer can consider their position is do I go or not, Berwick`s support is dwindling on a weekly bases, surely we need to encourage more along. Your not one of the "hoy them out" brigade are you, we have one on here already.

When you are criticised, you have to take it on board, they are your paying customers. You may not like what they are very vocal about, but it is an opinion from some of the most loyal fans in Berwick Speedway, so unless you are on a suicide mission, best listen and try and put it right. I am sure if they can see someone is listening and tryingto put things right, they will quickly come round.

[Taylorj]

On a bloody freezing cold night, we got the win we deserved. Very poor crowd , not one pass all night gate and go paradise, and very rough where Nicky and Alex came off, really need to sort 1st/2nd bend out . A very big thank you to our guest Stevie Worrall , and a special mention to young Nathan Greaves , Kyle is coming on leaps and bounds too . Had it went the 15 heats I have a feeling we would have taken the 4 points needed .

 

Be back over for the PL meeting if they get rid of that presenter on centre green aptly named Dick Barrie !!!! How do you poor souls suffer him every Saturday, droning on and on and on and on and on....... but in the end he did go a bit quiet once the Comics , got into gear

[penchev]

five years or ten or more can you really see anyone taking it over ?

Serious question, what speedway team do you follow/support?

[bigeddiechek]

If It was taken over on a business footing, then no. If it were to be taken over with someone wearing their heart on their sleeve, then yes. If you were buying a business like this you would only purchase the value of it's assets, as it is unlikely to have any 'Good Will' value.

 

I would imagine that assets are very much a secondary concern to that of working capital.

As has been demonstrated over the past years, it would require individuals who have good liquidity.

 

It should be noted on here, for balance, that there is also a silent cohort who are fed up of hearing negativity from a certain few.

Above anything else, nothing spoils a night more than a moaner. It very quickly becomes wearing.

 

I am not at all up to speed with whatever discord has occurred, and frankly I am not interested.

I can't see what is wrong with charging £20 - to those who wish to take it up - and provide a range of thank yous in return.

 

I also don't see anything wrong with a group of supporters raising funds and choosing to spend it supporting riders.

In fact, the two approaches actually make sense to me.

 

No matter what anyone wants to call me on here, we have seen a great deal of improvements made over the post-Peter years. By everyone who was involved from the takeover.

When could we have hoped to have riders of the calibre of Ashworth, Barker, Kennett, et al.?

 

We've won the fours, and made the play-offs last season.

We've had two very commendable Sky meetings, and have also had the bonus of international events staged.

 

The stadium is markedly tidier.

 

The polyfoam fence has saved many potentially very bad injuries.

 

The track is greatly improved, although we have certainly lost the considerable home advantage that used to exist.

 

I'm not pretending that there is not room for improvement, not by a long shot. I don't think anyone is.

When you have a lot of people giving up their free time, working very hard, and the Directors dipping quite deeply into their pockets each year, you have to question how long the love of the club will last when it is continually undermined and is - sadly - dropping to the level of personal abuse at times.

 

There is an element within the Berwick "support" that is rather worryingly flying into full self-destruct mode.

Will they be the only people who will not miss their Saturday night speedway?

[jenga]

my first memory of Berwick speedway, announced over the pa... and that was a win for bob valentine... don't want it to be my last.. keep going Berwick fans, your club needs your,e support..

Edited May 5, 2015 by jenga

[bjcol]

fans get yourselves there 7pm on satnight...back john andersonto leadthe banditsto victory over the devils on Saturday night

[Fromafar]

I would imagine that assets are very much a secondary concern to that of working capital.

As has been demonstrated over the past years, it would require individuals who have good liquidity.

 

It should be noted on here, for balance, that there is also a silent cohort who are fed up of hearing negativity from a certain few.

Above anything else, nothing spoils a night more than a moaner. It very quickly becomes wearing.

 

I am not at all up to speed with whatever discord has occurred, and frankly I am not interested.

I can't see what is wrong with charging £20 - to those who wish to take it up - and provide a range of thank yous in return.

I also don't see anything wrong with a group of supporters raising funds and choosing to spend it supporting riders.

In fact, the two approaches actually make sense to me.

 

No matter what anyone wants to call me on here, we have seen a great deal of improvements made over the post-Peter years. By everyone who was involved from the takeover.

When could we have hoped to have riders of the calibre of Ashworth, Barker, Kennett, et al.?

 

We've won the fours, and made the play-offs last season.

We've had two very commendable Sky meetings, and have also had the bonus of international events staged.

 

The stadium is markedly tidier.

 

The polyfoam fence has saved many potentially very bad injuries.

 

The track is greatly improved, although we have certainly lost the considerable home advantage that used to exist.

 

I'm not pretending that there is not room for improvement, not by a long shot. I don't think anyone is.

When you have a lot of people giving up their free time, working very hard, and the Directors dipping quite deeply into their pockets each year, you have to question how long the love of the club will last when it is continually undermined and is - sadly - dropping to the level of personal abuse at times.

 

There is an element within the Berwick "support" that is rather worryingly flying into full self-destruct mode.

Will they be the only people who will not miss their Saturday night speedway?

It is a forum and it is about opinions,but you are giving yours views to about a dozen fans on this forum,who in the main are regular attenders.All this rhetoric about the silent majority is bullsh#t.The silent majority are no longer attending IMO .the place should still be packed out though going by your posts on here where you are introducing news fans on a regular basis and meeting all those old fans who are returning and enjoying their evening.Pretending you don't know of things going on behind the scenes is a rich coming from you.I do not know what the answer is but if the fans are voting with their feet there has to be good reason IMO .The sport in general is in serious trouble not just Berwick.

[penchev]

fans get yourselves there 7pm on satnight...back john andersonto leadthe banditsto victory over the devils on Saturday night

Devils?

 

Witches surely?

[Goodiepatchie]

Serious question, what speedway team do you follow/support?

Berwick fan since mid seventies and hopefully a berwick fan a bit longer

Generally concerned about the future

[bigeddiechek]

It is a forum and it is about opinions,but you are giving yours views to about a dozen fans on this forum,who in the main are regular attenders.All this rhetoric about the silent majority is bullsh#t.The silent majority are no longer attending IMO .the place should still be packed out though going by your posts on here where you are introducing news fans on a regular basis and meeting all those old fans who are returning and enjoying their evening.Pretending you don't know of things going on behind the scenes is a rich coming from you.I do not know what the answer is but if the fans are voting with their feet there has to be good reason IMO .The sport in general is in serious trouble not just Berwick.

 

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but there is a silent cohort (please do not paraphrase me, unless done correctly) who are really fed up of negativity on the ground.

In their own words, they are not the sort of people who go on internet forums, so they are unaware of what is presented on here.

I can thoroughly assure you that there are quite a few people who are fed up with this. I also know of several who stopped coming because of it.

It just got to them. Nothing to do with the speedway. So just take that on board as it is a fact.

 

I'm also sorry to disappoint you in that I really do not know what has caused any discord. It's not that I couldn't ask, it is just that I am not really interested.

 

It looks as if the sport can only continue with wealthy benefactors. The crowd levels - although very good compared to other sports in the area - clearly are not going to significantly increase.

 

Why would anyone give up valuable time, and money to continually be told they are not good enough?

Even worse to be subject to verbal abuse.

 

You can accept that, or likely not, but will you miss speedway when it is gone?

 

 

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

It is a forum and it is about opinions,but you are giving yours views to about a dozen fans on this forum,who in the main are regular attenders.All this rhetoric about the silent majority is bullsh#t.The silent majority are no longer attending IMO .the place should still be packed out though going by your posts on here where you are introducing news fans on a regular basis and meeting all those old fans who are returning and enjoying their evening.Pretending you don't know of things going on behind the scenes is a rich coming from you.I do not know what the answer is but if the fans are voting with their feet there has to be good reason IMO .The sport in general is in serious trouble not just Berwick.

Sadly, like yourself, I see very few new faces, and week by week am seeing less of the old die hards. I don't accept for one second that they no longer come because of a few people who are having a moan, that is a naivety to the exteme. I don't know why they have stopped coming, but probably not getting value for money, not being entertained enough, who knows, but certainly not because a few have a moan,

[Fromafar]

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but there is a silent cohort (please do not paraphrase me, unless done correctly) who are really fed up of negativity on the ground.

In their own words, they are not the sort of people who go on internet forums, so they are unaware of what is presented on here.

I can thoroughly assure you that there are quite a few people who are fed up with this. I also know of several who stopped coming because of it.

It just got to them. Nothing to do with the speedway. So just take that on board as it is a fact.

I'm also sorry to disappoint you in that I really do not know what has caused any discord. It's not that I couldn't ask, it is just that I am not really interested.

 

It looks as if the sport can only continue with wealthy benefactors. The crowd levels - although very good compared to other sports in the area - clearly are not going to significantly increase.

 

Why would anyone give up valuable time, and money to continually be told they are not good enough?

Even worse to be subject to verbal abuse.

You can accept that, or likely not, but will you miss speedway when it is gone?

 

You don't disappoint me.I just take your posts with a large pinch of salt.

[Robinh88]

£20 that's a good one Scott

[penchev]

Sadly, like yourself, I see very few new faces, and week by week am seeing less of the old die hards. I don't accept for one second that they no longer come because of a few people who are having a moan, that is a naivety to the exteme. I don't know why they have stopped coming, but probably not getting value for money, not being entertained enough, who knows, but certainly not because a few have a moan,

Could be down to a number of things:

 

Barker getting injured in the first meeting.

 

The weather being so shockingly bad

 

The team losing virtually every week at home.

 

The ongoing rift between the VIP club and supporters club. (rift possibly not being the right word).

 

Lack of entertainment maybe so, but is the track really that bad? or is it just being used as a scapegoat?

 

All the negativity towards the club can do a lot of harm, as people will constantly hear bad things through the grapevine which in result will simply turn fans away.

 

And to top it all of we are in the month of May! and already people saying this will be the last season we will see Berwick Speedway operate.

 

How can you fix it.....i simply have no idea.

Berwick fan since mid seventies and hopefully a berwick fan a bit longer

Generally concerned about the future

Well get behind the club instead of constantly moaning and being negative towards it,

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

Could be down to a number of things:

 

Barker getting injured in the first meeting.

 

The weather being so shockingly bad

 

The team losing virtually every week at home.

 

The ongoing rift between the VIP club and supporters club. (rift possibly not being the right word).

 

Lack of entertainment maybe so, but is the track really that bad? or is it just being used as a scapegoat?

 

All the negativity towards the club can do a lot of harm, as people will constantly hear bad things through the grapevine which in result will simply turn fans away.

 

And to top it all of we are in the month of May! and already people saying this will be the last season we will see Berwick Speedway operate.

 

How can you fix it.....i simply have no idea.

Well get behind the club instead of constantly moaning and being negative towards it,

I don't know either, but I suppose do what PW used to do. listen to everything, take on board the genuine complaints and ditch the rest, most of all take all comments on the chin, I genuinely believe they are aired with concern rather than malice. On the track. week 1 was very slick and led to very poor racing, week 2 even slicker even worse racing, week 3 much improved and commended by all of the riders, week 4 rained off finally last week very poor preperation. For now look at what was prepared against Scunthorpe and replicate.

[bigeddiechek]

I don't accept for one second that they no longer come because of a few people who are having a moan, that is a naivety to the exteme.

 

I'm sorry Taffy, but it is actually the case. They just got so sick of it.

Don't mis-represent me by suggesting that I am saying it is the only reason, just a few people I know got worn down with it.

If you like, I can ask for their permission to post their names.

 

You don't disappoint me.I just take your posts with a large pinch of salt.

 

Phew!

 

Lack of entertainment maybe so, but is the track really that bad? or is it just being used as a scapegoat?

 

All the negativity towards the club can do a lot of harm, as people will constantly hear bad things through the grapevine which in result will simply turn fans away.

 

The track is certainly a scapegoat, the same people that were complaining about it 10 years ago are complaining about it now.

The negativity is really starting to do a lot of harm. It is likely going to finish things off.

 

It's easy to be critical, and it's usually the bottom feeders of society that become critics.

 

I don't know either, but I suppose do what PW used to do. listen to everything,

 

That is sensational hypocrisy from you Taffy!

I lost count of the amount of times I heard you tell me that "Peter's biggest problem is that he never listened to anyone". That it was his way or the highway.

 

Talk about invalidating your opinion!