KIRKYLANE Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I would imagine if they went to the council for a one off for the World Cup they'd love it. They hardly want this stadium to be built and barely used. They want World Cups, GPs, Euros etc. Manchester is a sporting city and loves having it's name spread far and wide using sport as the vehicle. Part of the Council's requirements when funding the Belle Vue Sports village was to have International Speedway events, Ongoing negotiations are taking place for a five year contract to yield such events. Hopefully they will be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'm sure they will be. I hope so . I can get a train from York to Manchester (if Mrs. chr lets me out ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Part of the Council's requirements when funding the Belle Vue Sports village was to have International Speedway events I don't know the Council could mandate such a thing as it's not within their's or Belle Vue's gift to decide where international speedway events are held. They can certainly insist the circuit is built to international standards to facilitate the hosting of such events, but unless they're prepared to stump up or underwrite the staging costs then it's difficult to see how it could be insisted upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) I think the reality of the situation is that Belle Vue have had ongoing discussions with BSI from the early stages of this project and received positive indications that they would look favourably on holding events at the new stadium, assuming of course it meets the required standards. The council were presented with a professionally evaluated business case as well as an impressive list of business leaders prepared to back the stadium and have been fully supportive of ensuring that those requirements are met. Apparently, nothing is yet signed or sealed with BSI but I can't believe the council would be providing a further £750,000 unless they were very sure that an agreement will be reached. Edited September 25, 2015 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I don't know the Council could mandate such a thing as it's not within their's or Belle Vue's gift to decide where international speedway events are held. They can certainly insist the circuit is built to international standards to facilitate the hosting of such events, but unless they're prepared to stump up or underwrite the staging costs then it's difficult to see how it could be insisted upon. If you read the planning application for Belle Vue Sports Village which I have , then you will see that indeed they did require International Speedway and discussions between Belle Vue Speedway and BSI took part in order that it could happen. The World Team Cup for 2013 was originally penciled in but long delays scuppered the original plans of having it ready by then. They also insisted that it should be the National Speedway Stadium... ..... when Belle Vue approached the BSPA over this they agreed. On a side note , Manchester City Council should be given high praise for being behind the Belle Vue Sports Village from the word go. It has required an enormous effort on the part of the Council and Belle Vue Speedway to make the Belle Vue Sports village come to fruition. I should imagine the likes of Cradley , Bristol , Hull and other places wanting to have Speedway resurrected wish they had such a forward thinking Council as Manchester.. Sadly , many councils are anti Speedway.... it took a lot of effort to finally persuade Birmingham to allow Speedway and Kent had to appeal against the rejection of Speedway by Kent Council. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I don't know the Council could mandate such a thing as it's not within their's or Belle Vue's gift to decide where international speedway events are held. They can certainly insist the circuit is built to international standards to facilitate the hosting of such events, but unless they're prepared to stump up or underwrite the staging costs then it's difficult to see how it could be insisted upon. It has been stated on this thread that the track has not been built to FIM standard so unless things have changed or the FIM have an international standard size but ignore it how can they run International meetings. Also it seems that BSI will go to a stadium but only if they pay the extortionate staging fee. Is BV or the Council prepared to pay BSI to hold one of their meetings?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) The track is certainly to FIM standard irrespective of what anyone has said on this forum. if it wasn't then BSI would not be in negotiations with Belle Vue regards a five year contract for international meetings. BSI visited the site recently and further talks were completed. the straights are 13 m wide and the bends are 17 m wide ......with banking. Edited September 25, 2015 by KIRKYLANE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I dont know if it's still the case but Cardiff didn't meet FIM guidelines in the past. That's the beauty of guidelines and not rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 It has been stated on this thread that the track has not been built to FIM standard A Belle Vue fan said that the track was going to be "4 handlebar widths wide on the straight and narrower on the bends (because you don't need 4 riders side by side on the bends)". You didn't actually take that seriously did you??? He was making a sarcastic reply to a stupid question. It's well documented that the track is going to be approx 350m long (way above the FIM minimum). Extremely wide (way beyond the FIM minimum) and banked up to the maximum level of banking allowed by the FIM (I think a maximum 10% gradient on the bends). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 In other words...a proper speedway track . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 If you read the planning application for Belle Vue Sports Village which I have , then you will see that indeed they did require International Speedway and discussions between Belle Vue Speedway and BSI took part in order that it could happen. The World Team Cup for 2013 was originally penciled in but long delays scuppered the original plans of having it ready by then. They also insisted that it should be the National Speedway Stadium... ..... when Belle Vue approached the BSPA over this they agreed. On a side note , Manchester City Council should be given high praise for being behind the Belle Vue Sports Village from the word go. It has required an enormous effort on the part of the Council and Belle Vue Speedway to make the Belle Vue Sports village come to fruition. I should imagine the likes of Cradley , Bristol , Hull and other places wanting to have Speedway resurrected wish they had such a forward thinking Council as Manchester.. Sadly , many councils are anti Speedway.... it took a lot of effort to finally persuade Birmingham to allow Speedway and Kent had to appeal against the rejection of Speedway by Kent Council. Indded. I post only rarely but still read the forum everyday.... Indeed. I post only rarely but still read the forum everyday. (probably explains why I can't spell or use editor).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 A Belle Vue fan said that the track was going to be "4 handlebar widths wide on the straight and narrower on the bends (because you don't need 4 riders side by side on the bends)". You didn't actually take that seriously did you??? He was making a sarcastic reply to a stupid question. It's well documented that the track is going to be approx 350m long (way above the FIM minimum). Extremely wide (way beyond the FIM minimum) and banked up to the maximum level of banking allowed by the FIM (I think a maximum 10% gradient on the bends). Did not take the above seriously at all, but well before that post it was stated by someone that it would not be of FIM standard. If it is that is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Did not take the above seriously at all, but well before that post it was stated by someone that it would not be of FIM standard. If it is that is great. IT is ... feature in Speedway Star next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 If there is going to be a national speedway centre in Manchester then it makes all kind of sense that it is used for prestigious meeting both from the FIM and on behalf of the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Did not take the above seriously at all, but well before that post it was stated by someone that it would not be of FIM standard. If it is that is great. Must admit that I remember a post suggesting it would not be FIM standard, I think for narrower straights. It was then suggested that it would qualify/be modified for FIM meetings only., 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Must admit that I remember a post suggesting it would not be FIM standard, I think for narrower straights. Yes, it was someone being sarcastic in response to a stupid question. Another poster missed the sarcasm and thought it was factual, and from there an urban myth was born. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Yes, it was someone being sarcastic in response to a stupid question. Another poster missed the sarcasm and thought it was factual, and from there an urban myth was born. Let me just guess which one you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 IT is ... feature in Speedway Star next week. Did you mean next next week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Interestingly, the volunteer application form states main race meetings will be Friday or Saturday with practice on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 If you read the planning application for Belle Vue Sports Village which I have , then you will see that indeed they did require International Speedway and discussions between Belle Vue Speedway and BSI took part in order that it could happen. It doesn't matter what the planning application says. It's not within the gift of Manchester City Council or Belle Vue Speedway to insist that international speedway meetings will be held there. And what does 'requiring international speedway' actually mean in practice? How many meetings per year, what competitions, and for how long? I dont know if it's still the case but Cardiff didn't meet FIM guidelines in the past. That's the beauty of guidelines and not rules! I think the FIM modified their guidelines to suit potential SGP circuits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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