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[screm]

Cardiff not in this country?.........(point taken though).....on the swc final front, it would be fantastic at belle vue, but can anybody see England (gb), seeded direct to the final? it wouldn't be right for a team outside the previous years final surely?

 

Commercially I understand, but IMO no team should be seeded directly to the Final.

[The White Knight]

 

SWC I agree with, but as long as Cardiff is hosting a SGP I cant see another one in this Country.

Why not screm - Poland seem to do all right, and they have more than one.

 

Perhaps the British GP at Cardiff and the English GP at Belle Vue.

 

As most know, I am not a Fan of the GP System but I can't understand why, with the System as it is, we could not Host two GPs

[oldace]

BSI do a wide range of deals ... they could simply rent the facility or engage in a joint operation

BSI have promoted every world cup event in Britain since day 1. They dont tend to farm out sure fire money spinners

Edited September 9, 2015 by Oldace

[Bruiser McHuge]

i think they would worry a second GP in Britain would affect the gate in Cardiff , which is their showpiece event in many ways.....to be fair I think it probably might or do people think that if the events were spaced our enough then fans might go to both ?....perhaps they would and there is room for two ?

[customhouseregular]

I'm sure Manchester could find 16,000 people who could/would not go to Cardiff.

 

Have Manchester 3 months before/after Cardiff to maintain interest.

[SCB]

I'm sure Manchester could find 16,000 people who could/would not go to Cardiff.

 

Have Manchester 3 months before/after Cardiff to maintain interest.

There plenty of us who would do both! I fail to believe a single person would pick Manchester over Cardiff, Manchester would be in addition to or people who live in the area and had no intention of going to Cardiff anyway.

 

Have them in March and October too so theres plenty of time between the two. It's about time the country that has had the most fans pay to go to GPs gets a second GP anyway!

[ColinMills]

There plenty of us who would do both! I fail to believe a single person would pick Manchester over Cardiff, Manchester would be in addition to or people who live in the area and had no intention of going to Cardiff anyway.

 

Have them in March and October too so theres plenty of time between the two. It's about time the country that has had the most fans pay to go to GPs gets a second GP anyway!

absolutely, even if a 2nd round only attracted 6,000 it would still top other gp attendances

surely having the world champion should carry a bit of weight as well

[customhouseregular]

There are people, myself included who find Cardiff financially prohibitive but Manchester, being 90 minutes by train would do me nicely .

[ColinMills]

Denmark and Sweden consistently get 2 rounds, Poland now has 3 plus the gp qualifier, so I don't think brits getting 2 rounds is much to expect

[customhouseregular]

Denmark and Sweden consistently get 2 rounds, Poland now has 3 plus the gp qualifier, so I don't think brits getting 2 rounds is much to expect

I have said so myself on many occasions Colin, but the organisers are not listening .

[Humphrey Appleby]

Denmark and Sweden consistently get 2 rounds, Poland now has 3 plus the gp qualifier, so I don't think brits getting 2 rounds is much to expect

Why do you want two rounds in Britain? There's already too many GPs, and it's Poland and Sweden who should be getting less, not Britain getting more.

 

Denmark normally only gets one GP though - it was only in 2012 it had the two rounds from memory.

absolutely, even if a 2nd round only attracted 6,000 it would still top other gp attendances

Well yes, but is 6,000 fans really what the SGP should be striving for...?

 

And to think people complained about declining World Finals attendances.

[Sotonian]

Why do you want two rounds in Britain? There's already too many GPs, and it's Poland and Sweden who should be getting less, not Britain getting more.

 

Denmark normally only gets one GP though - it was only in 2012 it had the two rounds from memory.

 

Well yes, but is 6,000 fans really what the SGP should be striving for...?

 

And to think people complained about declining World Finals attendances.

Norden in 1983 if often cited as the start of the decline of the old World Finals. With Teterow on the cards for next year, another track in a German field, will the same be said about it and the SGP?

[Grand Central]

Norden in 1983 if often cited as the start of the decline of the old World Finals. With Teterow on the cards for next year, another track in a German field, will the same be said about it and the SGP?

 

 

It certainly makes you think doesn't it?

 

It makes me feel a little sympathy for Ole Olsen!

Imagine striving to get the temporary tracks right ... in Melbourne, Warsaw(?), Cardiff, Stockholm and Horsens.

Just so that they can put GPs on at great Stadiums.

 

And BSI simultaneously give them out to god-forsaken places like Teterow.

When they are leaving Bydgoszcz, Vojens and Gorzow (?) to lie fallow.

 

Call me cynical but could it be about money?

And NOT Speedway.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Grand Central

[PHILIPRISING]

 

 

It certainly makes you think doesn't it?

 

It makes me feel a little sympathy for Ole Olsen!

Imagine striving to get the temporary tracks right ... in Melbourne, Warsaw(?), Cardiff, Stockholm and Horsens.

Just so that they can put GPs on at great Stadiums.

 

And BSI simultaneously give them out to god-forsaken places like Teterow.

When they are leaving Bydgoszcz, Vojens and Gorzow (?) to lie fallow.

 

Call me cynical but could it be about money?

And NOT Speedway.

NOT quite as simple as you make out of course. No doubt everyone would love to see a SGP at Bydgoszcz, one of the all-time great speedway tracks, but the town has changed dramatically in recent years. Speedway is no longer the attraction there that it once was, just witness the plight of the club and the fact that the stadium, certainly by Polish standards is very second rate.

 

Ole Olsen actually doesn't want a SGP at Vojens. It is a costly exercise and after so many years battling the elements (it always rains there!) he is happy to let someone else take the risk. The success of the SGP at Horsens this year - better stadium and public facilities than at Vojens - left Ole far more relaxed than he has been at Vojens, especially for the SWC this year.

 

Gorzow have actually made a bid to continue hosting SGP events. They made a profit this year, have one of their own in the series in 2016 along with probably at least two more Polish riders, and have a track that is very nearly on a par with Bydgoszcz while the town remains very much a speedway hotbed.

 

People who are ridiculing Teterow might be pleasantly surprised. I have it on good authority that the track is excellent, it is situated in a part of Germany where speedway is popular and they can do wonders with temporary grandstands, etc.

 

The SGP series will always be a mix of grandiose stadiums like Warsaw, Cardiff, Stockholm,Melbourne and, to a lesser degree, Horsens, along with more traditional speedway venues such as Malilla, Torun and, hopefully, Gorzow.

 

Of course it is about money. That's not being cynical, it is about realism. But that is not necessarily to the detriment of the series. Of course there have been failures. Finland for example. But finding new, viable venues isn't easy.

Edited September 10, 2015 by PHILIPRISING

[Trees]

So why don't they cut down the number of gp's and make us all happy.

[racers and royals]

I`m not sure that`s true. Yes it`s a BSI/IMG event but I don`t believe that all meetings- 1st 2 rounds, race-off and final are " BSI meetings" I would have thought for instance Kings Lynn pay a staging fee and they in turn receive income from entrance/programme/catering etc. I could be wrong.

Actually I wasn`t wrong entirely -yes about kings lynn but not about all the World cup final rounds which I quoted- for instance the race off and final this year in Vojens were not BSI promoted.

[oldace]

Hosting these events at the "National Stadium" implies revenue well be shared among all clubs. Will this be the case or will it all go to Belle Vue?

 

 

 

 

The World Cup is a BSI promoted event, any profit is neither Belle Vue's or the BSPA. The Aces should get a rental fee and some nice bar and food takings

 

 

I`m not sure that`s true. Yes it`s a BSI/IMG event but I don`t believe that all meetings- 1st 2 rounds, race-off and final are " BSI meetings" I would have thought for instance Kings Lynn pay a staging fee and they in turn receive income from entrance/programme/catering etc. I could be wrong.

 

 

 

 

You are

 

 

Actually I wasn`t wrong entirely -yes about kings lynn but not about all the World cup final rounds which I quoted- for instance the race off and final this year in Vojens were not BSI promoted.

 

 

But we were discussing the SWC events staged at Kings Lynn. They have always been BSI promoted events, as would an event at Belle Vue wete it to happen

[PHILIPRISING]

So why don't they cut down the number of gp's and make us all happy.

WHY do you assume that would make "all of us happy?" Do you speak for everyone?

Actually I wasn`t wrong entirely -yes about kings lynn but not about all the World cup final rounds which I quoted- for instance the race off and final this year in Vojens were not BSI promoted.

ACTUALLY they were ...

[Humphrey Appleby]

No doubt everyone would love to see a SGP at Bydgoszcz, one of the all-time great speedway tracks, but the town has changed dramatically in recent years. Speedway is no longer the attraction there that it once was, just witness the plight of the club and the fact that the stadium, certainly by Polish standards is very second rate.

Yet you say with a straight face that Teterow can be good venue? Bydgoszcz can't justify stumping up the asking price - it's that simple.

 

Ole Olsen actually doesn't want a SGP at Vojens. It is a costly exercise and after so many years battling the elements (it always rains there!) he is happy to let someone else take the risk.

Or the local council won't support the GP any more, whereas Horsens (under a different council) will?

 

Gorzow have actually made a bid to continue hosting SGP events. They made a profit this year

A profit taking into account the staging fee paid by the local council?

 

People who are ridiculing Teterow might be pleasantly surprised. I have it on good authority that the track is excellent, it is situated in a part of Germany where speedway is popular and they can do wonders with temporary grandstands, etc.

Teterow is universally agreed to be a crap track (I think Kelvin must have been referring to the grass track next door ), and we can see with our own eyes how incredibly basic the stadium is (plus it's in the middle of nowhere). Germany constantly disappoints with its promised venues - what happened to Berlin (again)?

 

But finding new, viable venues isn't easy.

You told us not so long ago that tracks were queuing up to stage GPs...

Edited September 10, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby

[waiheke1]

So why don't they cut down the number of gp's and make us all happy.

Personally I wouldn't want a reduction. Though would like an English gp at the expense of one of the other venues. And would love it to come back to nz