speedibee Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 That is a load of tosh speedibee. I don't see a lot of loyalty to Riders in British Speedway except from the Supporters of course. Tai, on the other hand, owes British Speedway nothing. British Speedway owes Tai a lot because of all the Publicity Events that he attended during his year as World Champion. Everyone said what a wonderful, hard working World Champion he was - and - I agree with them. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Tai, should he win another World Championship would do the same again - Promoting BRITISH Speedway in the Media, on Television and any way he could..... right so he owes British speedway Nothing , maybe you should tell that to Len silver , Matt Ford , and Chris Van Straaten . who actually owns his contract .. not forgetting of course Rob Godfrey who gave him his start as a pro speedway rider .. yes of course he owes nobody anything .. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 right so he owes British speedway Nothing , maybe you should tell that to Len silver , Matt Ford , and Chris Van Straaten . who actually owns his contract .. not forgetting of course Rob Godfrey who gave him his start as a pro speedway rider .. yes of course he owes nobody anything .. ... Correct he owes nobody anything. Chris Van Straaten will tell you he owes British Speedway nothing so he doesn't need 'asking'. Quite what Matt Ford has to do with it, who knows but I'm pretty sure he doesn't feel 'owed'. Now we know you have views that are, to put it mildy, bordering on xenophobic and racist, but the reality is, slavery doesn't exist anymore. Woffinden isn't 'owned' by anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 right so he owes British speedway Nothing , maybe you should tell that to Len silver , Matt Ford , and Chris Van Straaten . who actually owns his contract .. not forgetting of course Rob Godfrey who gave him his start as a pro speedway rider .. yes of course he owes nobody anything .. ... Of course he doesn't owe them anything. He gave good value for money to all of those Tracks he rode for and probably increased attendances at all of them too. Those Tracks reaped the benefits of having Tai riding for them and were, presumably, happy to do so. I owe my first Employer for giving me a job - I don't think so. I worked very hard whilst I was there and they paid me for it. Much the same as Tai really................ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 To be honest, I don't care if he does or he doesn't. I've been to sixteen meetings already this season and haven't thought about him once. The sport will carry on in this country regardless of him ever riding here again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I don't quite feel like that cityrebel I'm just very disappointed with his decision to not race here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The feudal system was abolished years ago - no-one is obliged to work indefinitely for whom they were originally apprenticed, nor even work in their country of birth. Equally, British speedway shouldn't bend over backwards to pay money it can't afford, or race on days that are uneconomic to accommodate supposed superstars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I am outsider on this debate but i say yes he should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The feudal system was abolished years ago - no-one is obliged to work indefinitely for whom they were originally apprenticed, nor even work in their country of birth. Equally, British speedway shouldn't bend over backwards to pay money it can't afford, or race on days that are uneconomic to accommodate supposed superstars. Race on days that are uneconomic! Hahaha! That's precisely what they are doing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Race on days that are uneconomic! Hahaha! That's precisely what they are doing now. Well, race on days that are even more uneconomic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Well, race on days that are even more uneconomic... They wouldn't be if it was run and promoted in the correct way.. but that's another debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 They wouldn't be if it was run and promoted in the correct way.. but that's another debate. The fact of the matter is there will always be more preferable days on which to run speedway regardless of whether it's promoted properly or not, and this will differ from track to track. Top-flight British speedway could likely settle on just couple of race days if were determined, but the point is that if Fridays or Saturdays are the best night on which to run British speedway, then it should run those nights rather than worry about fitting around the requirements of specific riders. Frankly though, I think the best promoter in the world would struggle to sell speedway in its current state. It needs substantial investment in stadia, presentation and format, but the sport is of such minor interest nowadays, who with the money is going to touch it with a bargepole? The sport either needs someone to buy (let's say) 8 tracks and run the whole thing in a standardised way with centrally contracted riders, or reverting to an amateur/subsistence level running with much cheaper costs and trying to rebuild from the grassroots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The fact of the matter is there will always be more preferable days on which to run speedway regardless of whether it's promoted properly or not, and this will differ from track to track. Top-flight British speedway could likely settle on just couple of race days if were determined, but the point is that if Fridays or Saturdays are the best night on which to run British speedway, then it should run those nights rather than worry about fitting around the requirements of specific riders. Frankly though, I think the best promoter in the world would struggle to sell speedway in its current state. It needs substantial investment in stadia, presentation and format, but the sport is of such minor interest nowadays, who with the money is going to touch it with a bargepole? The sport either needs someone to buy (let's say) 8 tracks and run the whole thing in a standardised way with centrally contracted riders, or reverting to an amateur/subsistence level running with much cheaper costs and trying to rebuild from the grassroots. I hope your'e not suggesting that we don't bend over backwards and run British speedway for the benefit of a few foreign riders , or Gp riders who need bread and butter earnings in between Gps . because that would be racist and xenophobic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think that that was the way that Humphry ment it to come over. What he was getting at is that maybe the only way for British speedway to be able to continue, is to go back to how it was many years ago with riders being mearly of amatuer status, with no big money being paid out for top riders. Bring the entrance fee down, have teams of British riders, may not be what people would think is the best for British speedway to go, but at the moment it is dying on its heels. I can see something along these lines happenening in a few years time unless the promoters start to get their act together. Poor stadiums, over paid riders and entrance fees that are to high for the product they are giving us. There must be an anser, before all is lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think that that was the way that Humphry ment it to come over. What he was getting at is that maybe the only way for British speedway to be able to continue, is to go back to how it was many years ago with riders being mearly of amatuer status, with no big money being paid out for top riders. Bring the entrance fee down, have teams of British riders, may not be what people would think is the best for British speedway to go, but at the moment it is dying on its heels. I can see something along these lines happenening in a few years time unless the promoters start to get their act together. Poor stadiums, over paid riders and entrance fees that are to high for the product they are giving us. There must be an anser, before all is lost. I dont think you Understood the tone of my post . obviously you haven't read the posts earlier in the thread , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I dont think you Understood the tone of my post . obviously you haven't read the posts earlier in the thread , Or the majority of your previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 NZ (and Aus/SA) do allow a few players a year to play abroad and still play for their country (should they be picked). There are conditions though like being available for their country and training camps if needed. Sorry, but that’s simply not true. A handful of elite All Blacks (notably Dan Carter) have been allowed a season in Europe, and then been selected for the All Blacks upon completion of the sdabbatical. Others, such as SBW, Troy Flavel and Jerome Kaino, have had overseas stints and played their way back into the All Blacks upon their return to NZ domestic rugby. But no All Black has been selected in recent times while playing club rugby overseas. Notably, It’s why Carl Hayman wasn’t selected for the Abs after moving to France, despite being arguably the best prop in the world during that time, and why Nick Evans wasn’t called up to the All Blacks when Dan Carter got injured heading into the 2011 world cup, despite the Abs dearth of no 10s at that time. That said, to repeat, it would be ludicrous for GB not to pick Tai. TBh, I think they should be really trying to get Scotty Nicholls to come out of retirement, Tai, Nicholls and Bomber would be competitive as a top three with any nation on current form. With Aussie missing Ward, GB should be targetting a top 3 finish this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 He is that dedicated to the sport of speedway and representing his country at world level, that he has stated that he will not race in the pairs meeting, because he has practice in Poland and also a meeting with the mayor. Some dedication but to which country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) He is that dedicated to the sport of speedway and representing his country at world level, that he has stated that he will not race in the pairs meeting, because he has practice in Poland and also a meeting with the mayor. Some dedication but to which country. Which bit about contractual obligations don't you get? http://speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.28765 Edited May 9, 2015 by Jacques 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) He is that dedicated to the sport of speedway and representing his country at world level, that he has stated that he will not race in the pairs meeting, because he has practice in Poland and also a meeting with the mayor. Some dedication but to which country. Tai doesn't really get a say in the matter though if his polish club says your not riding in the pairs your practicing with us thats what he is doing. If it was a FIM event though he would of been in Denmark as the poles woldn't get a say in the matter. Edited May 9, 2015 by Mr Blobby 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Tai doesn't really get a say in the matter though if his polish club says your not riding in the pairs your practicing with us thats what he is doing. If it was a FIM event though he would of been in Denmark as the poles woldn't get a say in the matter. Spot on & totally correct on your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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