Hodgy Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 As previously stated I have no idea of actual earnings. Can only form an opinion based on following the sport. Not sure all is so cosy at several Polish clubs. I bow down to your inside knowledge. Which makes it even more difficult to understand why you condem him for choosing Poland over Blighty. What would you do given the chance to pay off your mortgage! Ride at Lakeside to prove your British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) As previously stated I have no idea of actual earnings. Can only form an opinion based on following the sport. Not sure all is so cosy at several Polish clubs. I bow down to your inside knowledge. Which makes it even more difficult to understand why you condem him for choosing Poland over Blighty. What would you do given the chance to pay off your mortgage! Ride at Lakeside to prove your British.I think his attitude to the British final more so than not riding in the British elite league. Your right about several clubs in Poland not so rosy but some are still paying huge wages. Edited June 21, 2016 by robert72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I think his attitude to the British final more so than not riding in the British elite league. Did you see Nicki Pedersen's quote after riding in the Danish final? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) I think his attitude to the British final more so than not riding in the British elite league.I would agree with that if it wasn't for the pi$$ poor date planning. Was so easy to give the World Champ the wild card option. If that was then refused I could understand your disappointment, putting it mildly. Would have been a much better spectacle with him in it. Think we are getting dizzy now!!! Did you see Nicki Pedersen's quote after riding in the Danish final? Yes, also last weeks SS stated Nicki as a multi millionaire. Think our Rob's on to something. Edited June 21, 2016 by Hodgy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I think his attitude to the British final more so than not riding in the British elite league. Your right about several clubs in Poland not so rosy but some are still paying huge wages. how many times do you need to be told about the British Final??? It's quite pathetic that you still keep using that when you have been told the reasons why he didn't ride. I will tell you for the last time and I would like a response from you. The British semi finals were around a Gp weekend so Tai quite rightly didn't take up his place. He then told the authoritys not to give him a wildcard as he felt that one of the guys who did the semis were more deserving than he was. So if you can get this inside that head of yours it was the semi final dates that were the issue and Tai felt he would cheat other riders by getting a wild card. So Tai DIDNT snub the British Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Tbh of tai was offered a wild card and turned it down that makes it a little more understandable that people are annoyed he missed the final. After all that's how Danny king "qualified". And wasn't bomber told he needed to ride a semi or possibly miss out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Someone ask Tai on twitter if he turned down a wildcard place? ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Tai told the authoritys he wouldnt accept a wildcard as he didnt ride in the semi finals therefore it wouldnt have been fair on the riders who did the semi final. He wasnt offered a wildcard anyway so the point of accepting one is irrelevent. Tai didnt pull out of the British Final he pulled out of the semi finals, why people still do not understand that amuses me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 There is a really odd attempt being made here to position Woffiden (and Pedersen) as some sort of evil baddies because they earn what is seen as excessive salaries….pretty bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Tbh of tai was offered a wild card and turned it down that makes it a little more understandable that people are annoyed he missed the final. After all that's how Danny king "qualified". And wasn't bomber told he needed to ride a semi or possibly miss out? Yes he was and so was Tai, which makes it al the more confusing as to why King was given one. Tai quite rightly puts the world title before the British Final and tells the authorities he wont do the semi finals The authorities then said that if you dont do the semis you wont get a wildcard Tai said he wouldnt want a wildcard as it wasnt fair on the riders who rode in the semis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Whilst I agree Speedway costs a fortune...with respect, where did you get the idea that £15,000 wouldn't buy a bike? Going on the high side... An assembled GM engine is approx. £3500 A rolling chassis approx. £3250 A complete JAWA £5000 and you think Tai rides of the shelf rolling chassis ?? and i would put my years wages his engines are a lot more than £3500 each.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 and you think Tai rides of the shelf rolling chassis ?? and i would put my years wages his engines are a lot more than £3500 each.. No I don't...but I also don't think he pays £15,000 for one. He will have his engines expertly tuned by PJR and also his rolling chassis made to his specific design. I would take that as a given. However...as a two time World Champion and much sought after for sponsorship and endorsements...would you actually put your years wages on the fact that he actually pay's more than £15,000 for each of his bikes out of his income? I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 No I don't...but I also don't think he pays £15,000 for one. He will have his engines expertly tuned by PJR and also his rolling chassis made to his specific design. I would take that as a given. However...as a two time World Champion and much sought after for sponsorship and endorsements...would you actually put your years wages on the fact that he actually pay's more than £15,000 for each of his bikes out of his income? I wouldn't. have you seen his kevlars not many sponsors on there.. but i do know it costs a lot to sponsor Tai.. i remember being in a van while another top rider was on the phone talking his Polish contract and he said his engines were 6k a piece and he wasnt in Tai's league.. so conservative figures.. 7k engine 4k frame 800-900 clutch ?? Carb i knew they were around 800-900 a long while ago used thats 12,600 add in all the ancillory parts not far away.. i would say Tai's deal would be on servicing maybe.. but who knows.. its all pie in the sky.. but big money none the less when he has 3 of them.. i also remember seeing inside gollobs van a fair while ago at cardiff.. he had 11 engines lined up down the side of his van.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 There is a really odd attempt being made here to position Woffiden (and Pedersen) as some sort of evil baddies because they earn what is seen as excessive salaries….pretty bizarre. Not at all. Nicki has recently moved to Monaco and was confirmed as a multi-millionaire. Fair play to him and any one else who's able to make that sort of money out of speedway. This certainly wouldn't have been the case for world champions 20 odd years ago. I was refering to Nicki's quote of "I don't give a f@ck about the Danish championship" after finishing 3rd in it and admitting he used the meeting to test equipment. Robert hasn't vilified Nicki for this when this too could be construed as cheating the fans and having no respect for his national title. To be honest, there are quite a few similarities between Pedersen and Woffinden. Both are arrogant, both are determined and focused on winning, both are successful. Quite a few people (myself included) have warmed to Nicki over the years, and see these qualities in him now as quite endearing. I think because Woffinden is younger, some people see these exact same qualities as a negative. Whatever the top riders are doing, they're doing for their own good and their future after a relatively short lived career. Who can blame them for that? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 This has dragged on and i think all points covered. Nothing has changed my view though that Woffinden should be in the Cup side but he should also have been in the British semi-final (he may not have reached the final of course). The GP weekend is a red herring to me. Bomber did both, and Tai is doing almost the same on the Cardiff weekend with Poland either side. Gp practice is more about sponsor schmoosing than any real benefit for the GP itself and they have understood if he'd missed it for his National Championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 The GP weekend is a red herring to me. Bomber did both, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 This has dragged on and i think all points covered. Nothing has changed my view though that Woffinden should be in the Cup side but he should also have been in the British semi-final (he may not have reached the final of course). The GP weekend is a red herring to me. Bomber did both, and Tai is doing almost the same on the Cardiff weekend with Poland either side. Gp practice is more about sponsor schmoosing than any real benefit for the GP itself and they have understood if he'd missed it for his National Championship. bomber has bikes in this country.. Tai has blatenly said he doesnt have any bikes in this country.. if you can tell me how he would have achieved getting bikes to the event then that would be great and most riders say there is no use for practise but only because the track is usually different to the day before they get good results for gearing etc though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 This has dragged on and i think all points covered. Nothing has changed my view though that Woffinden should be in the Cup side but he should also have been in the British semi-final (he may not have reached the final of course). The GP weekend is a red herring to me. Bomber did both, and Tai is doing almost the same on the Cardiff weekend with Poland either side. Gp practice is more about sponsor schmoosing than any real benefit for the GP itself and they have understood if he'd missed it for his National Championship. He couldnt have done the semis he has no bikes in this country and Bomber did both but he isnt likely to be World Champion. Tai has no choice to ride in Poland before Cardiff as he is contracted to do so. If you read the press or the riders reactions they are up in arms about having to do Poland it isnt just Woffinden. Contracted to ride before a gp in Poland is completely different to riding in the British Semi finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Tai told the authoritys he wouldnt accept a wildcard as he didnt ride in the semi finals therefore it wouldnt have been fair on the riders who did the semi final. He wasnt offered a wildcard anyway so the point of accepting one is irrelevent. Tai didnt pull out of the British Final he pulled out of the semi finals, why people still do not understand that amuses me. I think there is only one orperson who doesn't understand that riding the semis was not viable (actually, seeing the bomber comparison above, make that two people).But at the same time, if tai said he wasn't willing to take a wildcard to the British final, then I can understand people being annoyed at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I think there is only one orperson who doesn't understand that riding the semis was not viable (actually, seeing the bomber comparison above, make that two people). But at the same time, if tai said he wasn't willing to take a wildcard to the British final, then I can understand people being annoyed at that. Nothing to do with not being willing. 1. It wasnt offered as himself and Bomber were told that if they didnt do the semis they wouldnt get a wildcard 2. Tai, after saying he would miss the semis, then said he wouldnt take a wildcard if offered as it wasnt fair on the other riders who rode in the semis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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