robert72 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 proof once again that you are clueless. You have been told about contracts so many times. For someone who raced you actually know bugger all So what about Wozniak's Leicester contract for 2016 so Explain that one as he signed a CONTRACT to race for the lions, why isn't he fulfilling his contract ? Your insults are boring everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 So what about Wozniak's Leicester contract for 2016 so Explain that one as he signed a CONTRACT to race for the lions, why isn't he fulfilling his contract ? Your insults are boring everyone Because his own National federation will void his licence if he goes against his Polish clubs ruling so wouldn't be able to fulfil his Leicester commitments anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Because his own National federation will void his licence if he goes against his Polish clubs ruling so wouldn't be able to fulfil his Leicester commitments anyway. So in theory we could demand more from tai in this country and take his licence away if he didn't do what's best for British speedway. So in fact British speedway could of forced tai to ride in the British final but chose not too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Yes with the money I expect him to be on but then it was British speedway that helped him to get to that point in Poland and he couldn't care less about the British final or the British fans. Contracts and agreements can mean very little in speedway, Leicester rider Wozniak signed for the lions for the 2016 season yet Poland have stopped him riding for Leicester until they decide he can return to British speedway. Do you think polish riders would not ride in the polish national final as they are contracted to ride in a British meeting ? Apologies, thought you knew his income. Not sure why you keep repeating he owes British Speedway - many clubs wanted to pay for his services, not just doing him a favour. Your Polish example's contradict and answer themselves. The clue is in the question! Can see you will never change your strong opinion, is your choice. Think you should now let it go and support a British World GP contender. That grew up in a different country and employed bad advises that made him a 'multi millionaire', as you say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 So what about Wozniak's Leicester contract for 2016 so Explain that one as he signed a CONTRACT to race for the lions, why isn't he fulfilling his contract ?Wozniak has signed for both a Polish club and a British one. His Polish club have evidently pulled rank. Woffinden has not signed for a British club, despite your proclaimed willingness to force him to do so. There is, therefore, no relevance in your comparison. So in theory we could demand more from tai in this country and take his licence away if he didn't do what's best for British speedway. So in fact British speedway could of forced tai to ride in the British final but chose not too. Tai is doing what's best for British speedway, winning world championships and leading his country's team with great distinction. I'm not aware of any regulation which states that a rider must take part in the country's domestic championship. Such a statute, particularly one with an implied or explicit threat to withdraw a competition licence, would surely have no chance of being stood up in a court of law. It has long been evident from the thrust of your argument, if I can distinguish it by such a term, that the rule of law would hold little sway under your doubtless benign dictatorship. What a bitter pill that must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Apologies, thought you knew his income. Not sure why you keep repeating he owes British Speedway - many clubs wanted to pay for his services, not just doing him a favour. Your Polish example's contradict and answer themselves. The clue is in the question! Can see you will never change your strong opinion, is your choice. Think you should now let it go and support a British World GP contender. That grew up in a different country and employed bad advises that made him a 'multi millionaire', as you say. I guess if you look for it you would find that gollob was on over a million a season some 7 plus years ago riding in Poland, so I guess it's about the same for tai. Wozniak has signed for both a Polish club and a British one. His Polish club have evidently pulled rank. Woffinden has not signed for a British club, despite your proclaimed willingness to force him to do so. There is, therefore, no relevance in your comparison. Tai is doing what's best for British speedway, winning world championships and leading his country's team with great distinction.I'm not aware of any regulation which states that a rider must take part in the country's domestic championship. Such a statute, particularly one with an implied or explicit threat to withdraw a competition licence, would surely have no chance of being stood up in a court of law. It has long been evident from the thrust of your argument, if I can distinguish it by such a term, that the rule of law would hold little sway under your doubtless benign dictatorship. What a bitter pill that must be. Your wrong tai is not doing what's best for British speedway he is doing what's best for him as his interests for the good of British speedway is long gone. Any details about the training schools ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I guess if you look for it you would find that gollob was on over a million a season some 7 plus years ago riding in Poland, so I guess it's about the same for tai. Guess away! Come back with facts! Can't imagine Tai is the best paid sportsman in Poland, but I am only guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Wozniak has signed for both a Polish club and a British one. His Polish club have evidently pulled rank. Woffinden has not signed for a British club, despite your proclaimed willingness to force him to do so. There is, therefore, no relevance in your comparison. Tai is doing what's best for British speedway, winning world championships and leading his country's team with great distinction. I'm not aware of any regulation which states that a rider must take part in the country's domestic championship. Such a statute, particularly one with an implied or explicit threat to withdraw a competition licence, would surely have no chance of being stood up in a court of law. It has long been evident from the thrust of your argument, if I can distinguish it by such a term, that the rule of law would hold little sway under your doubtless benign dictatorship. What a bitter pill that must be. Just as a matter of interest, when did Tai unsign his Wolverhampton contract? Or do contracts only last for one season? He is still a Wolves asset, isn't he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Just as a matter of interest, when did Tai unsign his Wolverhampton contract? Or do contracts only last for one season? He is still a Wolves asset, isn't he?He is a wolves asset, but all that means is that in theory if he wants to ride in the UK it is for wolves.Unless wolves committed to pay a yearly salary, I can't see that the contract would compel him to ride for them unless he wants to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) He is a wolves asset, but all that means is that in theory if he wants to ride in the UK it is for wolves. Unless wolves committed to pay a yearly salary, I can't see that the contract would compel him to ride for them unless he wants to. Correct, contracts still have to be agreed on a yearly basis whether you're an asset of the club or not. So in theory we could demand more from tai in this country and take his licence away if he didn't do what's best for British speedway. So in fact British speedway could of forced tai to ride in the British final but chose not too. It is yes to both those sentences. To your first point, it'll only apply if he signed a deal to a UK club to which he had not and can't be forced to. To your second point, that's a yes regardless whether he's signed for a British club or not as other federations do. So, who's fault is it that none of that is in place? Just as a clue, the answer isn't Tai Woffinden Edited June 21, 2016 by Danny Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Just as a matter of interest, when did Tai unsign his Wolverhampton contract? Or do contracts only last for one season? He is still a Wolves asset, isn't he?He is a Wolves asset (and speedway's asset system is, to apply a clunky metaphor, a whole different ball game), but as per the posts of waihekeaces1 and Danny Smith is not currently contracted to ride for them or any EL club. Danny, as to your answer on the second point, I'd be by no means sure that the authorities could compel anyone to ride with any confidence that their actions could survive a legal challenge, despite the actions of other federations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Your so predicatable with the twaddle you keep spouting. so tai will be giving Poland a miss the day before he is due in Cardiff ? Guess not actually Tai has to miss the walk for darcy because his contracted to poland and they require him there so he cannot travel back to do it.. ohh yet another thing you may pick up on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 So what about Wozniak's Leicester contract for 2016 so Explain that one as he signed a CONTRACT to race for the lions, why isn't he fulfilling his contract ? Your insults are boring everyone I insult you because you display such a lack of understanding or knowledge of how contracts work Wozniak would have his licence stopped by the Polish federation if he rides for Leicester Tai doesnt have a contract to race for any club in Britain so your post makes absolutely no sense So in theory we could demand more from tai in this country and take his licence away if he didn't do what's best for British speedway. So in fact British speedway could of forced tai to ride in the British final but chose not too. Lol yet again you knowledge is so poor you really need to have a look at how contracts work because you are making yourself look daft I will remind you yet again that TAI DOESNT HAVE A UK CONTRACT!!! So the authorities in the UK can not demand he do anything I guess if you look for it you would find that gollob was on over a million a season some 7 plus years ago riding in Poland, so I guess it's about the same for tai. Your wrong tai is not doing what's best for British speedway he is doing what's best for him as his interests for the good of British speedway is long gone. Any details about the training schools ? You think Tai is a multi millionaire are so far wide of the mark that your laughable pal. If Gollob was on a million a season it certainly wasnt from his club , it would have been made up of endorsements and sponsorship and being the highest profile rider in Poland I agree Tai does nothing for British Speedway apart from put the sport into the National press everytime he wins the world title. There are others that are not Tai fans but at least they have some intellect unlike yourself. Very bitter sad individual arent you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/motorsport/451717/EXCLUSIVE-hadn-t-made-speedway-have-been-brickie-Tai-Woffinden Well according to this, has houses paid for, a collection of cars and paid £15,000 for a Neckless....so not too Shabby. I should imagine most of the riders in the GP over a period of time, will become Millionaires through wages and sponsorship deals etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/motorsport/451717/EXCLUSIVE-hadn-t-made-speedway-have-been-brickie-Tai-Woffinden Well according to this, has houses paid for, a collection of cars and paid £15,000 for a Neckless....so not too Shabby. I should imagine most of the riders in the GP over a period of time, will become Millionaires through wages and sponsorship deals etc. i wonder what would be said if he put up how much he put into his kit.. and only one house is paid off the one in sheffield.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 i wonder what would be said if he put up how much he put into his kit.. and only one house is paid off the one in sheffield.. Exactly.. hardly fits 'multi millionaire'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Exactly.. hardly fits 'multi millionaire'. i would say one of those necklaces wouldnt even buy one bike.. and i would guess he has 9 floating around and probably 15-20 engines.. for rotations engines i would say easy 7-8 grand a pop each... now sponsors etc i would say for the majority but i doubt they pay for the upkeep of them.. but then again every time he puts his leg across that bike he is putting his life on the line so its pitence really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Hunter Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I guess Yes, you do. Quite a lot, actually. if you look for it you would find that gollob was on over a million a season some 7 plus years ago riding in Poland A million what though? And think very carefully before you answer that one. Your insults are boring everyone Do you have any self awareness at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 i would say one of those necklaces wouldnt even buy one bike.. and i would guess he has 9 floating around and probably 15-20 engines.. for rotations engines i would say easy 7-8 grand a pop each... now sponsors etc i would say for the majority but i doubt they pay for the upkeep of them.. but then again every time he puts his leg across that bike he is putting his life on the line so its pitence really. Whilst I agree Speedway costs a fortune...with respect, where did you get the idea that £15,000 wouldn't buy a bike? Going on the high side... An assembled GM engine is approx. £3500 A rolling chassis approx. £3250 A complete JAWA £5000 The likes of Tai would be sponsored riders...as tuners and engine manufacturers want their name attached to such riders...so costs would be according to that 'sponsors' package. As for putting his life on the line...yes speedway riders do...but the majority do it for the money, not our Entertainment. For them, it's a quick way of making good money, from a passion they do well...and better than having a normal job. If they weren't racing Speedway for a living...and had a 'normal job'...they'd more than likely be riding some form of motorcycle sport in their spare time,to get that buzz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Exactly.. hardly fits 'multi millionaire'. The Polish reports reveal that Crump deal is for about £620,000 for the new season. It was negotiated by Crump and it can be extremely beneficial to him, provided he can score what is expected of him and he rides in as many matches as he did in 2010. Crump's signature on the contract is reportedly worth around £170,000 and every time he turns up for a league match he is to be guaranteed �3,000. If he rides in 20 Polish meetings that makes a round sum of £60,000 for the new season. The rest is to be earned on the track. For each point scored he will get £1,700 If he scores as many points as he did in 2010 he will take home about £390,000. Polish journalist Roman Chyla says: 'Now add all the above mentioned figures and you will end up with a very fairytale contract. Is it any wonder that Crump and Gollob don't race in Britian?' And you were saying ? Bikes,equipment ect at tai level will be sponsored,monster sponsorship would cover his staff and then his Swedish pay. Tai is minted and I am pleased for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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