Should Tai Woffinden Ride For Team Gb ?

[Steve Shovlar]

would you have felt the same if he rode for poole though, then would you have dared to post it....

I feel he should have rode in it, but its bot the end of the world that hes not.... Hes had a beef with british speedway over the past few years judging by some of his comments, so there might be other reasons that we dont know.

 

It would make no difference. I beleive he should be riding here full stop. To choose foreign leagues over the UK is just plain wrong. I can understand riding in Poland. Less so in Sweden but other top riders manage three leagues without issue. If he is tired, then drop Sweden. As a Brit he is letting down British fans.

[ColinMills]

At the end of the day, it's British Speedway that will suffer.. Can you imagine if Tai Was asked into A Question Of Sport.....?

 

His introduction.

 

Welcome Tai Woffinden, first British World Speedway Champion since Mark Loram in 2000. Well Tai, which Team do you ride for in the UK? Well Sheila, sorry, I mean Sue, I don't ride for a British team, I don't have time, oh, and the tracks are crap, they ride on different days of the week.... Oh, so where do you ride your bikes? Well Conner, I mean Sue, I ride in Poland, Sweden, Denmark, and the World Championship. They all ride on one day a week, except Poland who ride on 3 days, oh, and Sweden, they have 2 days. (Sue looks confused) Well Tai, you're the defending British Champion, who do you see as your main threat this year? Well, Sheils, er, I mean Sue, I'm not riding in that either.. Sue then asks are you recovering from an injury? No, just don't have time for that meeting either..

 

Tell me that's all well and good for British Speedway..?

as long as its not filmed on a Monday that is!

[Shale Searcher]

At the end of the day, it's British Speedway that will suffer.. Can you imagine if Tai Was asked onto A Question Of Sport.....?

 

His introduction.

 

Welcome Tai Woffinden, first British World Speedway Champion since Mark Loram in 2000. Well Tai, which Team do you ride for in the UK? Well Sheila, sorry, I mean Sue, I don't ride for a British team, I don't have time, they ride on to many nights of the week, not like the rest of Europe, who all have one set day a week, oh, and the British tracks are crap, Sue says, Oh, so where do you ride your bikes? Well Cobber, I mean Sue, I ride in Poland, Sweden, Denmark, and the World Championship. Sue then says, when do you ride in Europe then? Well Sue, they all ride on one day a week, well, except Poland who ride on 3 days a week, oh, and Sweden, they have 2 days a week, and Denmark, they ride one day a week.. (Sue looks confused) Well Tai, you're the defending British Champion, who do you see as your main threat this year? Well, Sheils, er, I mean Sue, I'm not riding in that either.. Sue then asks why? are you recovering from an injury? No, just don't have time for that meeting either.... Look Sue, I've done more for British speedway, than anyone else will in the next 10 yrs!!

 

Tell me that's all well and good for British Speedway..?

 

 

Sorry, had to edit a spelling/grammar error and it is out of time step...

Edited June 9, 2016 by Shale Searcher

[Starman2006]

At the end of the day, it's British Speedway that will suffer.. Can you imagine if Tai Was asked onto A Question Of Sport.....?

 

His introduction.

 

Welcome Tai Woffinden, first British World Speedway Champion since Mark Loram in 2000. Well Tai, which Team do you ride for in the UK? Well Sheila, sorry, I mean Sue, I don't ride for a British team, I don't have time, they ride on to many nights of the week, not like the rest of Europe, who all have one set day a week, oh, and the British tracks are crap, Sue says, Oh, so where do you ride your bikes? Well Cobber, I mean Sue, I ride in Poland, Sweden, Denmark, and the World Championship. Sue then says, when do you ride in Europe then? Well Sue, they all ride on one day a week, well, except Poland who ride on 3 days a week, oh, and Sweden, they have 2 days a week, and Denmark, they ride one day a week.. (Sue looks confused) Well Tai, you're the defending British Champion, who do you see as your main threat this year? Well, Sheils, er, I mean Sue, I'm not riding in that either.. Sue then asks why? are you recovering from an injury? No, just don't have time for that meeting either.... Look Sue, I've done more for British speedway, than anyone else will in the next 10 yrs!!

 

Tell me that's all well and good for British Speedway..?

 

 

Sorry, had to edit a spelling/grammar error and it is out of time step...

And it won't matter whether we ride one niight a week or one night every two weeks. He along with many other top riders will NOT come back and ride in this country. They are doing very nicely thank you in Poland Sweden and the GP's. So why come back here for a pittance in comparison.

[ColinMills]

its finance the bottom line, forget the schedule argument, these riders are well used to this, its part of being a top rider.

if the money was attractive he would be there, same as league racing

[Shale Searcher]

its finance the bottom line, forget the schedule argument, these riders are well used to this, its part of being a top rider.

if the money was attractive he would be there, same as league racing

 

its finance the bottom line, forget the schedule argument, these riders are well used to this, its part of being a top rider.

if the money was attractive he would be there, same as league racing

 

 

Absolutely bang on, end of....

[Star Lady]

And it won't matter whether we ride one niight a week or one night every two weeks. He along with many other top riders will NOT come back and ride in this country. They are doing very nicely thank you in Poland Sweden and the GP's. So why come back here for a pittance in comparison.

 

 

Bloody hell first I agree with Steve Shovlar and now I find myself agreeing with you.

 

Money talks and for all the whinging and whining from the top riders, Woffinden included, if the UK paid the same as Poland there would be a massive rush of top riders wanting talks with EL clubs. It's nothing to do with schedules etc, it's money pure and simple.

 

BTW that's my opinion so it's no good asking me for facts

Edited June 10, 2016 by Star Lady

[robert72]

its finance the bottom line, forget the schedule argument, these riders are well used to this, its part of being a top rider.

if the money was attractive he would be there, same as league racing

You just cannot say it's about money without proof of a riders contract offer and you must name that rider as we just don't believe you that it's about money unless you have the contract and paper proof like Gavan,Bwitcher,stevebrum would all say we all want proof of your facts it's about money as we don't believe you LOL

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your spot on its about the money even though tai was offered a good amount from sky but it wasn't enough.

Edited June 10, 2016 by robert72

[Gavan]

And it won't matter whether we ride one niight a week or one night every two weeks. He along with many other top riders will NOT come back and ride in this country. They are doing very nicely thank you in Poland Sweden and the GP's. So why come back here for a pittance in comparison.

For once you are spot on

 

You actually are giving the reason why Tai wont ride over here so im glad you agree with me and Bwitcher rather than the other lot.

 

Why should a top rider irrelevent of his nationality, be expected to ride in his own country if the money and the tracks are not good enough?

 

He wont ride here while the structure and finances are they way they are.

 

Just because he is British people think he must ride here?? Why?? Its totally irrelevent. Greg Hancock wants to be world champion so does Nicki Pedersen and i cant see them riding in the Uk for the money we offer and the different race nights.

 

Well done Starman for pointing out what the others cant see

You just cannot say it's about money without proof of a riders contract offer and you must name that rider as we just don't believe you that it's about money unless you have the contract and paper proof like Gavan,Bwitcher,stevebrum would all say we all want proof of your facts it's about money as we don't believe you LOL

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your spot on its about the money even though tai was offered a good amount from sky but it wasn't enough.

Wow that top paragraph was written in such good English!

 

Of course the money in the UK isnt as good as in Poland or are you seriously that thick!!

 

And we was talking about the money on offer to do the British Final not the Elite League, so well done for using bits and pieces from different arguments to try and put a point across

 

I told you factually that all riders were paid the same at least up until 2004 to ride in the British Final irrelevent of how many points they got.

Unless you can prove differently then yes you are talking out your arse

 

 

Bloody hell first I agree with Steve Shovlar and now I find myself agreeing with you.

 

Money talks and for all the whinging and whining from the top riders, Woffinden included, if the UK paid the same as Poland there would be a massive rush of top riders wanting talks with EL clubs. It's nothing to do with schedules etc, it's money pure and simple.

 

BTW that's my opinion so it's no good asking me for facts

Its so good to see all of you now realising the truth as to why the top riders dont ride here and all coming round to the proper way of thinking.

 

If the money was better and the tracks then more of the top boys would ride here. Its not hard to understand.

 

In one breath you Tai haters all moan that he has turned his back on the Uk then in the vey next breath say that riders wont ride here for the money!!!!

 

What do you expect a top rider to do???

[sparkafag]

At the end of the day, it's British Speedway that will suffer.. Can you imagine if Tai Was asked onto A Question Of Sport.....?

 

His introduction.

 

Welcome Tai Woffinden, first British World Speedway Champion since Mark Loram in 2000. Well Tai, which Team do you ride for in the UK? Well Sheila, sorry, I mean Sue, I don't ride for a British team, I don't have time, they ride on to many nights of the week, not like the rest of Europe, who all have one set day a week, oh, and the British tracks are crap, Sue says, Oh, so where do you ride your bikes? Well Cobber, I mean Sue, I ride in Poland, Sweden, Denmark, and the World Championship. Sue then says, when do you ride in Europe then? Well Sue, they all ride on one day a week, well, except Poland who ride on 3 days a week, oh, and Sweden, they have 2 days a week, and Denmark, they ride one day a week.. (Sue looks confused) Well Tai, you're the defending British Champion, who do you see as your main threat this year? Well, Sheils, er, I mean Sue, I'm not riding in that either.. Sue then asks why? are you recovering from an injury? No, just don't have time for that meeting either.... Look Sue, I've done more for British speedway, than anyone else will in the next 10 yrs!!

 

Tell me that's all well and good for British Speedway..?

 

 

Sorry, had to edit a spelling/grammar error and it is out of time step...

 

 

I appreciate it is all for comedy affect etc, but it’s a load of nonsense, as is quite a lot of the mental gymnastics going on to try and basically trample on Woffiden.

 

He would be introduced as the British Speedway World Champion…. that’s what he is. He races in Britain more times in a year than Moto GP riders, F1 riders etc and so on, it would only be hard-core speedway fans who would attempt to overcomplicate that in an attempt to trash both the sport and a representative of the sport.

[dazzafl]

For once you are spot on

 

You actually are giving the reason why Tai wont ride over here so im glad you agree with me and Bwitcher rather than the other lot.

 

Why should a top rider irrelevent of his nationality, be expected to ride in his own country if the money and the tracks are not good enough?

 

He wont ride here while the structure and finances are they way they are.

 

Just because he is British people think he must ride here?? Why?? Its totally irrelevent. Greg Hancock wants to be world champion so does Nicki Pedersen and i cant see them riding in the Uk for the money we offer and the different race nights.

 

Well done Starman for pointing out what the others cant see

Wow that top paragraph was written in such good English!

 

Of course the money in the UK isnt as good as in Poland or are you seriously that thick!!

 

And we was talking about the money on offer to do the British Final not the Elite League, so well done for using bits and pieces from different arguments to try and put a point across

 

I told you factually that all riders were paid the same at least up until 2004 to ride in the British Final irrelevent of how many points they got.

Unless you can prove differently then yes you are talking out your arse

Its so good to see all of you now realising the truth as to why the top riders dont ride here and all coming round to the proper way of thinking.

 

If the money was better and the tracks then more of the top boys would ride here. Its not hard to understand.

 

In one breath you Tai haters all moan that he has turned his back on the Uk then in the vey next breath say that riders wont ride here for the money!!!!

 

What do you expect a top rider to do???

 

The money over here is small fry to what they get over seas.. this sport can be a very short one and making the most money and keeping world championship hopes alive are very high on his priority list..

 

if we said we don't want you to be team gb (which I think will never happen) you will then see a team GB team that wouldn't do anything then you will be up in arms again anyway..

 

to some degree it is a huge shame Tai isn't riding in the British Championships.. but we have to respect his wishes and not shame the event because there are still some very good riders in it.. ask your self this what would happen if Tai did ride.. got out he gate and was a straight infront of any competition and made it look way to easy.. would that be interesting for the fans.. ohh we saw Tai win with no competition how boring is that... but now I see a list of riders thjat anyone would be able to win it..

 

his reasons for not riding in the UK are very clear.. how many meetings this year have been cancelled and re run on days when he would be over seas riding.. let one of the stat men sort that one out.. he wouldn't be a regular for any british team due to the amount of rain offs we have had and always get.. and the money over here is a fraction of what he gets over seas.

[sparkafag]

You just cannot say it's about money without proof of a riders contract offer and you must name that rider as we just don't believe you that it's about money unless you have the contract and paper proof like Gavan,Bwitcher,stevebrum would all say we all want proof of your facts it's about money as we don't believe you LOL

 

 

Your spot on its about the money even though tai was offered a good amount from sky but it wasn't enough.

 

 

Every point you make about Woffinden is total and utter whataboutery…

 

You think he is arrogant…and….you think he has followers who will back him regardless…..what of it….you think he picked Britain to progress his career…irrelevant…he doesn’t race here because of money…meh probably….you might be right in every word you say but it isn’t going to matter…come World Cup time you will have to listen to Nigel screaming WOOOOOFY…WOOOFY….WOOOFYY as Woffinden waves to the hordes of fans flying their Union Jacks as Britain’s Speedway World Champion wins another race and you seethe at the TV congratulating yourself on that time you got one over on people on here…**

 

**PS the people you got one over on will be delighted watching Woffinden win races for Team GB while you are doing that rather than thinking robert72 was right.

 

All together now...on 3....1....2.....3....WOOOFY WOOOOFY WOOOFY

 

Edited June 10, 2016 by The Mockingjay

[Shale Searcher]

 

its finance the bottom line, forget the schedule argument, these riders are well used to this, its part of being a top rider.

if the money was attractive he would be there, same as league racing

 

 

Absolutely bang on, end of....

[Gavan]

Absolutely bang on, end of....

You are correct

 

So again please answer why you expect a top sportsmen to ply his trade somewhere where he can only earn a fraction of what he could elsewhere please??

 

Only Tai haters dont understand that concept and expect him to ride here in a league that wouldnt really test him and is awkward to fit in and pays a pittance to elsewhere

 

All of the people up in arms about him not riding here are the same people saying how bad the money is here!! They are answering their own argument!!

[dazzafl]

You are correct

 

So again please answer why you expect a top sportsmen to ply his trade somewhere where he can only earn a fraction of what he could elsewhere please??

 

Only Tai haters dont understand that concept and expect him to ride here in a league that wouldnt really test him and is awkward to fit in and pays a pittance to elsewhere

 

All of the people up in arms about him not riding here are the same people saying how bad the money is here!! They are answering their own argument!!

 

did gareth bale stay in the UK to play football or go over seas to earn a mega pay check.. they don't boo him playing for his home side..

 

notice I don't know a thing about football but the wage is still the same thing..

 

I was once in a riders presence while he was negotiating his wage for a polish side and the offerings were BIG.. guarantee money multiple 100's per point and engines totalling 5-6k and engine and asking for 3 of them..

 

which team in this country has that funding other than poole maybe...

 

I remember Nikki Glanz when he rode for Plymouth was Given and GM engine of his choice when he rode for Reading.. it was like giving candy to a baby

 

this game isn't so much about pride.. its about making money while doing a sport that can be very short lived..

 

we are lucky Tai decided to wear the british flag he could have so easily wore the Ozzie Flag..

[robert72]

 

 

Every point you make about Woffinden is total and utter whataboutery

 

You think he is arrogantand.you think he has followers who will back him regardless..what of it.you think he picked Britain to progress his careerirrelevanthe doesnt race here because of moneymeh probably.you might be right in every word you say but it isnt going to mattercome World Cup time you will have to listen to Nigel screaming WOOOOOFYWOOOFY.WOOOFYY as Woffinden waves to the hordes of fans flying their Union Jacks as Britains Speedway World Champion wins another race and you seethe at the TV congratulating yourself on that time you got one over on people on here**

 

**PS the people you got one over on will be delighted watching Woffinden win races for Team GB while you are doing that rather than thinking robert72 was right.

 

All together now...on 3....1....2.....3....WOOOFY WOOOOFY WOOOFY

 

You brought up Nigel Pearson who is or was tai biggest fan, he was far from happy with tai snubbing the British final.

 

What money are Holder,Zagar,Johnson,NKI & Bomber on as they are all GP riders and are more than happy to race in the UK on British wages.

[sparkafag]

What money are Holder,Zagar,Johnson,NKI & Bomber on as they are all GP riders and are more than happy to race in the UK on British wages.

 

A riders wages, signing on fee, expectations or appearance fee, doesn’t actually matter to me, you or anyone else for that matter other than rider and promoter. It isn’t for you to decide what a rider wants to achieve from their life, and their career.

In an attempt to make yourself sound like an expert re wags and demands you have only served to make yourself look an absolute fool as you’re talking about a subject matter you don’t know about (irrespective of your previous with the sport) you are talking about a strawman when you talk about wages and contracts. You would be better served talking about the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus as you have about as much factual evidence of them as you do the finanicl and life decisions Woffinden has made.

The whole "I know about wages" debate that has went on for pages is actually all a bit like watching two bald men arguing over a comb…the reality is very few people other than rider, promoter and riders manager will know actual wages paid, agreements between rider x and promoter y….honestly give it a rest with the wages chat.

Edited June 10, 2016 by The Mockingjay

[robert72]

 

A riders wages, signing on fee, expectations or appearance fee, doesnt actually matter to me, you or anyone else for that matter other than rider and promoter. It isnt for you to decide what a rider wants to achieve from their life, and their career.

In an attempt to make yourself sound like an expert re wags and demands you have only served to make yourself look an absolute fool as youre talking about a subject matter you dont know about (irrespective of your previous with the sport) you are talking about a strawman when you talk about wages and contracts. You would be better served talking about the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus as you have about as much factual evidence of them as you do the final and life decisions Woffinden has made.

The whole I know about wages debate that has went on for pages is actually all a bit like watching two bald men arguing over a combthe reality is very few people other than rider, promoter and riders manager will know actual wages paid, agreements between rider x and promoter y.honestly give it a rest with the wages chat.

Insulting a person who Actually knows a lot more about riders wages than you makes your post pathetic .

 

Your post was simply a personal attack but you failed to add any knowledge you have because simply you know sod all.

 

Time to stop the insults as it's not tough.

[BWitcher]

Anyone noticed that Robert72 dismisses every argument as to why Woffinden doesn't ride in the UK?

 

So basically he's of the opinion he's doing it quite simply to spite fans.. If it winds up Robert72, I'm all for it!

 

WOOFY WOOFY WOOFY!

[sparkafag]

Insulting a person who Actually knows a lot more about riders wages than you makes your post pathetic .

 

Your post was simply a personal attack but you failed to add any knowledge you have because simply you know sod all.

 

Time to stop the insults as it's not tough.

 

 

What are you even talking about….

 

I might be wrong re my grasp of your first point as it doesn’t make that much sense, but I will try…. You are attempting to say that me admitting others know more about wages than me makes my post pathetic? That’s a completely mental point (not an insult by the way simply an observation of your point)…..loads of people know more about riders wages than me, utterly loads, the riders involved in the actual deal, the promoter, managers... in actuality the total opposite of what you are implying would be pathetic. If I was insinuating I knew the most about wages that would be pathetic and hold no credibility…or even if I was to say “well I don’t know what NKI is paid but I tell you what I reckon it is a packet of Haribo and a couple of boxes of green tea a week” simply to add “knowledge”…no, knowledge is actually knowing a thing not just saying a thing for the sake of it.

 

I stated that you commenting on a riders wages and demands and specifically Woffinden makes you look like a fool, it does, it adds zero credibility to any argument you are making when you ask what sort of money riders were on/are on or wish for.

 

Were you there when NKI or Doyle agreed their contracts? No, were you there when Woffinden was in talks with any British club, Sky, BT etc? No

 

So why are you even attempting to make reference to it….it is, as I said, foolish to do so, you are implying you not only know about specifics of specific contract details but a person’s motives and subconscious its completely ridiculous.

Edited June 10, 2016 by The Mockingjay