BWitcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 So, in your opinion Lambert will not be in the main GB Team. That's just your opinion. My 5 at the moment Woffinden Nicholls Cook Lambert Bates The reason foe leaving out Harris is the fact he's just racing for Coventry & being rubbish in the SGP's. What rides can the U-21 rider take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 What rides can the U-21 rider take? That's the key point. If the reserve can be used at any time then it's a no-brainer to have Lambert at reserve. Bates for Woffinden? It's a tough one but I think Woffinden just edges it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 What rides can the U-21 rider take? FMNs can nominate a U21 Rider that is the same nationality as FMNs for each event. This rider is allowed to practice and will only race in the case of Injury or illness (supported by CMO) to a rider 1-4 from his FMN. Once the U21 rider has replaced a rider in 1-4 he will then complete the meeting taking the rides of the replaced rider. In no circumstances will the replaced 1-4 rider be allowed back in the meeting. The nomination and use of an U21 rider is not compulsory. The nominated rider will assume the position in the team of the injured rider. The injured rider and reserve replacement will jointly be entitled to race a maximum of 5 heats (4 Programmed heats and 1 nomination in heat 17-20) plus one additional heat as a Tactical Substitute or Tactical Joker. If replacing the injured rider in the rerun of a heat, the nominated rider will also assume the status of the injured (ie. programmed ride, Joker, or Tactical Substitute). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 FMNs can nominate a U21 Rider that is the same nationality as FMNs for each event. This rider is allowed to practice and will only race in the case of Injury or illness (supported by CMO) to a rider 1-4 from his FMN. Once the U21 rider has replaced a rider in 1-4 he will then complete the meeting taking the rides of the replaced rider. In no circumstances will the replaced 1-4 rider be allowed back in the meeting. The nomination and use of an U21 rider is not compulsory. The nominated rider will assume the position in the team of the injured rider. The injured rider and reserve replacement will jointly be entitled to race a maximum of 5 heats (4 Programmed heats and 1 nomination in heat 17-20) plus one additional heat as a Tactical Substitute or Tactical Joker. If replacing the injured rider in the rerun of a heat, the nominated rider will also assume the status of the injured (ie. programmed ride, Joker, or Tactical Substitute). tr So it would be a waste to have Lambert at reserve. that's how I read it. Robert 72 appears to correct in this instance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 FMNs can nominate a U21 Rider that is the same nationality as FMNs for each event. This rider is allowed to practice and will only race in the case of Injury or illness (supported by CMO) to a rider 1-4 from his FMN. Once the U21 rider has replaced a rider in 1-4 he will then complete the meeting taking the rides of the replaced rider. In no circumstances will the replaced 1-4 rider be allowed back in the meeting. The nomination and use of an U21 rider is not compulsory. The nominated rider will assume the position in the team of the injured rider. The injured rider and reserve replacement will jointly be entitled to race a maximum of 5 heats (4 Programmed heats and 1 nomination in heat 17-20) plus one additional heat as a Tactical Substitute or Tactical Joker. If replacing the injured rider in the rerun of a heat, the nominated rider will also assume the status of the injured (ie. programmed ride, Joker, or Tactical Substitute). Why do they complicate it like that? They should just allow the reserve to come in to replace someone at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) Why do they complicate it like that? They should just allow the reserve to come in to replace someone at any time. It's not complicated. The U21 is a reserve for injured or ill riders. tr So it would be a waste to have Lambert at reserve. that's how I read it. Robert 72 appears to correct in this instance Absolutely on both points Edited June 8, 2016 by Danny Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) tr So it would be a waste to have Lambert at reserve. that's how I read it. Robert 72 appears to correct in this instance No he isn't correct as he stated that the team with Bates at reserve is 'far better'. Good god.... Screamer's team makes much more sense but any team without Woffinden is not 'far better'. There is one name that is an absolute certainty, that is Woffinden. Then you have Harris, Nicholls, Cook, Lambert and maybe even Steve Worrall who could come into contention. I honestly can't see Harris being left out and the way Cook rode in Belle Vue's last home meeting he seems to have figured things out. It could come down to Nicholls and Lambert. Given that Nicholls hasn't rode for his country in some time I would put Lambert in. Woffinden Cook Harris Lambert Edited June 8, 2016 by BWitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 No he isn't correct as he stated that the team with Bates at reserve is 'far better'. Good god.... Screamer's team makes much more sense but any team without Woffinden is not 'far better'. There is one name that is an absolute certainty, that is Woffinden. Then you have Harris, Nicholls, Cook, Lambert and maybe even Steve Worrall who could come into contention. I honestly can't see Harris being left out and the way Cook rode in Belle Vue's last home meeting he seems to have figured things out. It could come down to Nicholls and Lambert. Given that Nicholls hasn't rode for his country in some time I would put Lambert in. Woffinden Cook Harris Lambert How is Robert72's argument to leave Woffinden out of the team because he misses the British Final any different to your argument to drop Nicholls purely on the basis he has decided to miss the World Cup in recent years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Beans on toast for tea tonight Danny.....yummy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Beans on toast for tea tonight Danny.....yummy undecided, with the sun beaming may go for salad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 No he isn't correct as he stated that the team with Bates at reserve is 'far better'. Good god.... Screamer's team makes much more sense but any team without Woffinden is not 'far better'. There is one name that is an absolute certainty, that is Woffinden. Then you have Harris, Nicholls, Cook, Lambert and maybe even Steve Worrall who could come into contention. I honestly can't see Harris being left out and the way Cook rode in Belle Vue's last home meeting he seems to have figured things out. It could come down to Nicholls and Lambert. Given that Nicholls hasn't rode for his country in some time I would put Lambert in. Woffinden Cook Harris Lambert Are you for real ? Listen you Have to have a U21 at reserve who can only take a ride if a team member can no longer carry on due to injury or illness. You mentioned Steve worrall be interesting who would you leave out for him ? My team was Bomber Cook Nicholls King Lambert Changed it as I felt lambert is stronger than King and Couldn't put King at reserve as he is Not u21 Bomber Cook Nicholls/Garrity Lambert Bates I would also replace rosco with middlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 How is Robert72's argument to leave Woffinden out of the team because he misses the British Final any different to your argument to drop Nicholls purely on the basis he has decided to miss the World Cup in recent years The British Final is an individual event that has no relevance to the World Cup or riding for Great Britain. Scott Nicholls has refused to race for GB for some time, that is his choice to do so. Were he head and shoulders above competing riders for his position I wouldn't have any qualms about him being selected, but as it is there is very little to choose between him and Lambert so I would go with Lambert. I wouldn't be up in arms if Nicholls was picked though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 How is Robert72's argument to leave Woffinden out of the team because he misses the British Final any different to your argument to drop Nicholls purely on the basis he has decided to miss the World Cup in recent years Yes I would like to know that too from Bwitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Everything is excuses with you. I think team gb without tai would be far better. Bomber Craig Cook Scott Nicholls Robert Lambert Josh Bates Are you for real ? Listen you Have to have a U21 at reserve who can only take a ride if a team member can no longer carry on due to injury or illness. You mentioned Steve worrall be interesting who would you leave out for him ? My team was Bomber Cook Nicholls King Lambert Changed it as I felt lambert is stronger than King and Couldn't put King at reserve as he is Not u21 Bomber Cook Nicholls/Garrity Lambert Bates I would also replace rosco with middlo Now you are concocting fantasies. Your post that started all of this made no mention of your 'original team' or your 'changed team'. You simply said, as I have quoted that "Team GB without Tai would be far better" It's a ridiculous statement and no matter how much you bleat, squirm or try and twist it it remains a ridiculous statement as in no way shape of form would Team GB be 'better', never mind 'far better' without Tai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I night indulge in an ice cream given the lovely warm weather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I night indulge in an ice cream given the lovely warm weather I don't have any ice cream :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 The British Final is an individual event that has no relevance to the World Cup or riding for Great Britain. Scott Nicholls has refused to race for GB for some time, that is his choice to do so. Were he head and shoulders above competing riders for his position I wouldn't have any qualms about him being selected, but as it is there is very little to choose between him and Lambert so I would go with Lambert. I wouldn't be up in arms if Nicholls was picked though. But a British World Champion Not wanting to take part in the British Final is an insult to British Speedway,the fans & the country, it also loses British speedway money and much needed media attention plus the negativity it will bring for the final don't you understand that? British speedway should of said to tai you ride in the British final or if you don't then you won't be selected for team GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Are you for real ? Listen you Have to have a U21 at reserve who can only take a ride if a team member can no longer carry on due to injury or illness. You mentioned Steve worrall be interesting who would you leave out for him ? My team was Bomber Cook Nicholls King Lambert Changed it as I felt lambert is stronger than King and Couldn't put King at reserve as he is Not u21 Bomber Cook Nicholls/Garrity Lambert Bates I would also replace rosco with middlo How would King be anywhere near a WTS at this present time puzzling.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 But a British World Champion Not wanting to take part in the British Final is an insult to British Speedway,the fans & the country, it also loses British speedway money and much needed media attention plus the negativity it will bring for the final don't you understand that? British speedway should of said to tai you ride in the British final or if you don't then you won't be selected for team GB Have a sit down and have a little think about where you have gone wrong in your logic there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 The British Final is an individual event that has no relevance to the World Cup or riding for Great Britain. Scott Nicholls has refused to race for GB for some time, that is his choice to do so. Were he head and shoulders above competing riders for his position I wouldn't have any qualms about him being selected, but as it is there is very little to choose between him and Lambert so I would go with Lambert. I wouldn't be up in arms if Nicholls was picked though. Youre going backwards fast, you would pick Lambert over Nicholls if they are of equal ability because Nicholls shunned the World Cup but if Nicholls was significantly better than Lambert you would ditch that argument in favour of Nicholls. Its seems your not one for principles and are just blinded by achievement. While I don't agree with all of Robert72's opinions on Tai Woffinden , he sticks with his principles and doesn't compromise then just cus a guy has 2 World Championships to his name 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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