Shale Searcher Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) That's simply because, despite what the 'good old days crowd' keep trying to tell us, the overall quality of rider is much higher now, with much smaller gaps between the teams from top to bottom. The 'good old days crowd' will tell us about the unbeatable heat leaders teams used to have with their 10-11pt averages in one post... then in the next tell us how great the second strings and reserves were and how often they beat the heat leaders... As I've mentioned on another thread, there is an argument for returning to a format where the top riders meet less often than they do now, this would give them higher averages and create a perception of them being stronger. Even include bonus pts in their averages again. It's all psychological, they are the same riders but if they have a 10pt average rather than an 8, it makes them appear all that much more enticing to go and watch and be excited about them visiting.. and of course them getting beat. Not directly relating to this post, but it would make heat leaders and second strings easily separated out for team building purposes, would certainly make team building fairer.. heat leaders 9 to 12 pts second strings 8.99 pts down Reserves currently not chosen on EL averages.. Except if there weren't 24 riders on +8.99 averages! Edited May 2, 2016 by Shale Searcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Every England player sang the national anthem today, total respect for the honor of representing your country, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Every England player sang the national anthem today, total respect for the honor of representing your country, Good for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Every England player sang the national anthem today, total respect for the honor of representing your country, Only because they're told to, not because they want to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Only because they're told to, not because they want to I think tai should be told too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendover Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) and I was stood at the bar with a pint in one hand scratching my bolloxs with the other hand, but I have been on holiday to aus, so I must be one too Edited May 22, 2016 by bendover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 I think tai should be told too Nobody should be made to sing the Queen's anthem. When we actually create a national anthem then come back to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Nobody should be made to sing the Queen's anthem. When we actually create a national anthem then come back to me the girl they hired at yesterdays cup final never even sang it!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) Tai should be in WC team but I do agree with Robert72 in that i see no valid reason why he couldn't or more importantly wouldn't want to ride in the national championship. Bikes/engines can be moved around Europe quite easily and nowhere is more than a few hours away by air. Given it's at the new National stadium i think it is a poor unpatriotic and selfish decision to not support the British Final. Edited May 22, 2016 by SPEEDY69 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Nobody should be made to sing the Queen's anthem. When we actually create a national anthem then come back to me You should be made to sing it if your representing your country, I think the FA have got it right Tai should be in WC team but I do agree with Robert72 in that i see no valid reason why he couldn't or more importantly wouldn't want to ride in the national championship. Bikes/engines can be moved around Europe quite easily and nowhere is more than a few hours away by air. Given it's at the new National stadium i think it is a poor unpatriotic decision to not support the British Final. I think tai lives about 50 miles from the national stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 You're wrong Robert72, give us an anthem about our wonderful country and we will all sing, I hate our current national anthem! The Queen should get it changed before her reign ends imo ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 You're wrong Robert72, give us an anthem about our wonderful country and we will all sing, I hate our current national anthem! The Queen should get it changed before her reign ends imo ..... It may not be the best but it's our national anthem and we are stuck with it for now so it should be respected when representing Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Yeah respected but with the choice of singing it ..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) As a country we have a tradition of free speech or even free silence.No-one should be forced to sing a bloody anthem.It just isn't important Edited May 22, 2016 by iris123 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Guys, ignore the troll. It has nothing to do with Tai not singing the national anthem, or Tai not riding in the Ben Fund. Robert72 doesn't post over and over about riders who refuse to even race for their country... Scott Nicholls... or riders that have NEVER rode in the Ben Fund... Scott Nicholls. He obviously has a personal dislike and petty jealousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) Guys, ignore the troll. It has nothing to do with Tai not singing the national anthem, or Tai not riding in the Ben Fund. Robert72 doesn't post over and over about riders who refuse to even race for their country... Scott Nicholls... or riders that have NEVER rode in the Ben Fund... Scott Nicholls. He obviously has a personal dislike and petty jealousy. I agree with your second sentence, anthem and BF nkot the issue for me. Your comparison is wrong though in my view unfortunately, Nicholls' dispute with BSPA was well documented. Tai is world champion and british champion and he has elected not to support our national championshop for purely personal and in my view selfish reasons. Edited May 22, 2016 by SPEEDY69 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Can't beat a bit of Sunday night dead horse flogging 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Yeah respected but with the choice of singing it ..... But He chose to sing the Australian anthem with passion but Not the British anthem ? Snubs the British Final and people still make excuses for him on here. As a country we have a tradition of free speech or even free silence.No-one should be forced to sing a bloody anthem.It just isn't important As I said above he sung the Australian one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 I agree with your second sentence, anthem and BF nkot the issue for me. Your comparison is wrong though in my view unfortunately, Nicholls' dispute with BSPA was well documented. Tai is world champion and british champion and he has elected not to support our national championshop for purely personal and in my view selfish reasons. I don't think you understand the concept of 'selfishness'. The British Final is an INDIVIDUAL event. It is for personal gain, not the gain of GB. Nicholls is quite happy to ride in that as he wants the personal glory. Woffinden has won it 3 times and is happy to let someone else taste the glory. Riding for your country is for the benefit of your country. Woffinden does that, Nicholls doesn't. The selfish rider is Nicholls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) I don't think you understand the concept of 'selfishness'. The British Final is an INDIVIDUAL event. It is for personal gain, not the gain of GB. Nicholls is quite happy to ride in that as he wants the personal glory. Woffinden has won it 3 times and is happy to let someone else taste the glory. Riding for your country is for the benefit of your country. Woffinden does that, Nicholls doesn't. The selfish rider is Nicholls. It's clear you're trying the distraction technique but it completely misses the point of the thread. Woffinden has no issue with BSPA, wants to help train others but won't support the British Final, live on TV at the new stadium because he really can't be bothered - there is no other legitimate excuse. If it's because of poland or gps then wholly selfish. It devalues the tournament. Edited May 22, 2016 by SPEEDY69 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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