robert72 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 The only thing that really surprises me about this thread is the fact the question was asked in the first place. Maybe we should recall tai from Poland to ride in British speedway as they do in Poland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Maybe we should recall tai from Poland to ride in British speedway as they do in Poland What you need to realise is that Poland and Sweden are the leagues riders need to be in these days if they want to make an impact on the World scene. It's not the British leagues any more. The only top riders in the EL are those who are looking for further meetings on top of what they already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 What you need to realise is that Poland and Sweden are the leagues riders need to be in these days if they want to make an impact on the World scene.It's not the British leagues any more. The only top riders in the EL are those who are looking for further meetings on top of what they already have. I agree but British speedway needs to stand up to Poland and refuse them our British riders and then we don't allow any poles to learn there trade here, then it will stop the Wozniak situations and other riders who ride in Poland missing matches here. Let's stand up for Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I agree but British speedway needs to stand up to Poland and refuse them our British riders and then we don't allow any poles to learn there trade here, then it will stop the Wozniak situations and other riders who ride in Poland missing matches here. Let's stand up for Britain You think Poland would give a stuff if - Woffy apart - they couldn't use British riders? We are lucky to have a rider who is above all others on the World stage. Whether we like it or not, speedway in Britain just isn't a priority any more due to its constant "cost cutting" tactics of the last decade, and also, for many top riders, it is the first to go to the chopping block when schedules get too busy due to its many race nights and also, no doubt, its lower pay rates. If it was, the top riders would be here. Woffinden is doing what he needs to do to maintain his place at the top of the tree. No point standing up for Britain when it's Britain itself that is causing the problem. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I agree but British speedway needs to stand up to Poland and refuse them our British riders and then we don't allow any poles to learn there trade here, then it will stop the Wozniak situations and other riders who ride in Poland missing matches here. Let's stand up for Britain You should be running the BSPA So, not only are you anti-Tai you also want to spoil every other British rider's chance of a career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 It might sound a good point to ban Poles riding here and enhancing there riding experiance, but do that and has said they could just ban Brits from riding in Poland, and I think British riders need the experiance of riding the larger Polish tracks more then young Poles need the experience of riding smaller Brit tracks. As already said, the UK is no longer the force it was back in the 60/70/80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I agree but British speedway needs to stand up to Poland and refuse them our British riders and then we don't allow any poles to learn there trade here, then it will stop the Wozniak situations and other riders who ride in Poland missing matches here. This is why they don't let fans run the sport. It would be a complete restraint of trade, EU laws or otherwise, plus be completely immoral to prevent a rider making their living where they choose. Would you think it reasonable to be told where you could practice your trade, particularly if you were made to work for less than you'd been offered somewhere else? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 This is why they don't let fans run the sport. It would be a complete restraint of trade, EU laws or otherwise, plus be completely immoral to prevent a rider making their living where they choose. Would you think it reasonable to be told where you could practice your trade, particularly if you were made to work for less than you'd been offered somewhere else? Are Poland not preventing Wozniak from earning a living at Leicester ? How many Brits get to race in Poland ? No EU law to help Brits get rides. The Leicester promoter was very vocal about the poles on Saturday and was right. I still think we should recall tai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Are Poland not preventing Wozniak from earning a living at Leicester ? How many Brits get to race in Poland ? No EU law to help Brits get rides. The Leicester promoter was very vocal about the poles on Saturday and was right. I still think we should recall tai Yep, Tai should be recalled instantly and made to fulfil the terms of his club contracts with, erm, well, with, ah, Wroclaw and Vetlanda actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Are Poland not preventing Wozniak from earning a living at Leicester ? No, but his Polish club might be. How many other employers allow you to hold down multiple jobs in multiple countries? It's not restraint of trade if you freely sign an exclusive contract with an employer. It is if you're banned from any signing any contract with a particular employer in the first place. How many Brits get to race in Poland ? No EU law to help Brits get rides. They have to be good enough in the first place, and perhaps want their riders to sign exclusive contracts (see above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I can understand the frustrations of Elite League promoters at signing riders, who are then told by teams in other countries that they cannot ride over here, to practice over there instead. Perhaps the answer is to concentrate on producing our own riders instead? As has been said above you cannot "ban" riders from abroad, but you can certainly avoid signing them. This wouldn't happen overnight and would almost certainly see a reduction in standards for a few years, but if there was a concerted effort to source, then develop home grown talent then costs would be driven down and Britain might once again become a power. The sport as a whole needs to start producing more riders, to avoid doubling-up and riders competing in multiple countries. It won't be easy, it won't be done overnight, but I think it's something that has to be done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 No, but his Polish club might be. How many other employers allow you to hold down multiple jobs in multiple countries?It's not restraint of trade if you freely sign an exclusive contract with an employer. It is if you're banned from any signing any contract with a particular employer in the first place.They have to be good enough in the first place, and perhaps want their riders to sign exclusive contracts (see above). Not on about any occupation other than speedway. So riders have to be good enough to ride in Poland but British speedway has trained average foreign riders for years while turning away average British riders and how many good Brits have retired as they don't get the rides because of Johnny Foreigner. Time we stop signing poles now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Not on about any occupation other than speedway. Why should speedway be any different to any other profession? Banning uncontracted riders from signing for foreign teams would be a restraint of trade in most developed countries. British speedway has failed to employ British riders because of a ridiculous system whereby transfer and loan fees have to be paid for British riders and not foreign riders who've not previously ridden in Britain. There have also been zero incentives for promotions to invest in upcoming British riders knowing their fellow promoters will penalise them through the points limit if they're successful. The one point of which we agree is that riders shouldn't be signed for British teams if they can't commit to all the fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) no but I know people who know him personally and he is badly advised. That's never been am issue, he is a very talented rider well i do know him personally.. and he takes riding for the UK very high on his priority list.. just not riding in its leagues as he has his sights very much on his 3rd world tittle it is only that its fixtures and travelling makes riding in the UK hard.. Plus he can make more money riding over sea's as we have seen with recent events this can be a very short term sport so make hay while the sun shines.. the more I read this site.. not team or rider can do enough for any fan but don't make assumptions on a rider who you know nothing about other than what you can read in the press.. he is doing the training days in the UK to help out younger riders that is a great thing to do. Edited May 31, 2016 by Dazzafl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 the more I read this site.. not team or rider can do enough for any fan but don't make assumptions on a rider who you know nothing about other than what you can read in the press. Take no notice of Robert72. He makes assumptions about dogs he's never met as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 well i do know him personally.. and he takes riding for the UK very high on his priority list.. just not riding in its leagues as he has his sights very much on his 3rd world tittle it is only that its fixtures and travelling makes riding in the UK hard.. Plus he can make more money riding over sea's as we have seen with recent events this can be a very short term sport so make hay while the sun shines.. the more I read this site.. not team or rider can do enough for any fan but don't make assumptions on a rider who you know nothing about other than what you can read in the press.. he is doing the training days in the UK to help out younger riders that is a great thing to do. So if tai wins the world title this year he will then return to British speedway as he would of won it 3 times and won't want to race in it again. It's all gone quiet on the training schools ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 I still think we should recall tai Out of interest, could you elaborate on this a touch? Are you suggesting some attempt should be made to stop him earning in Sweden and Poland? Or that he be forced to ride in the Elite League? You are aware of the meaning of recall, to officially order someone to return to a place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Are Poland not preventing Wozniak from earning a living at Leicester ? How many Brits get to race in Poland ? No EU law to help Brits get rides. The Leicester promoter was very vocal about the poles on Saturday and was right. I still think we should recall tai I think you'll find that he firstly needs to have a contract with a team in the British EL for that! And you claim to know so much about speedway Edited May 31, 2016 by chris4gillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Out of interest, could you elaborate on this a touch? Are you suggesting some attempt should be made to stop him earning in Sweden and Poland? Or that he be forced to ride in the Elite League? You are aware of the meaning of recall, to officially order someone to return to a place? Yes the same as Poland did to Wozniak and stopped him earning in the uk but your ok with that then. The rider loses uk wages,Leicester lose popular rider,the lions fans lose,everyone in the uk loses but polish speedway. One rule for poles sod everyone else I think you'll find that he firstly needs to have a contract with a team in the British EL for that! And you claim to know so much about speedway There would be several teams who would fit him into there side. I have forgot more than you would ever know about speedway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 . I have forgot more than you would ever know about speedway. Maybe so, but more to the point, can those of us who watched you attempt to ride, ever forget how utter utter dog.shiite you were at the sport we all love ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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