mdmc82 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 But, for the first two laps, Belle Vue were going to get nothing out of the meeting until the ever-trying Joonas messed up on the third turn trying hard to catch Zagar. Credit to Joonas for not just settling for second place. ATB Dave Exactly. If it hadn't been for Kylmakorpi making a mistake then Belle Vue wouldn't have got a point even with our heat 15 choices. Bees were off the better gates in the last heat and Harris would have been able to get something out of gate 4 I guess what is done is done and we still got our 4 points. Pity the score line makes it look closer than it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Had no tannoy on bends 1 & 2 for most of the meeting so didn't have to put up with Yorkie bleating out! Same as Sunday then with all the speakers off except the grandstand. I hope Mick has got a reduction in the rent. Didn't anyone else notice the tactical thinking going on in heat 10? If Danny hadn't come last in that heat Belle Vue would have had the chance to use Scotty with a Badger hat (as my friend calls it) on the best gate in heat 11. I guess what is done is done and we still got our 4 points. 3 points...... mdmc82. Edited April 25, 2015 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Nicholls had 2 laps to pass kylmo and was right on his tail. So without the mistake doesn't necessarily mean we wouldn't have got the 5-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyhine Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) . Edited April 25, 2015 by muffinman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Zagar and Nicholls had just scored a 4-2 over Andersen and Harris in heat 13 and as had been pointed out, they had, in total, scored no more than King and Kylmakorpi. It was a perfectly reasonable decision to put the latter two in heat 15 based on their performance. I take the comments from the Coventry management about their charitable intentions as being intended as no more than a joke and perhaps an attempt to try to cover up the fact that their decision didn't work out. No team is going deliberately to gift another team a point. The suggestions about helping them to get into the play offs is ridiculous. Nobody can anticipate at this stage of the season what the position will be in September. Hopefully, not but by then teams may have been decimated by injuries or riders been replaced making a team much stronger. I agree and as one who attended the meeting I thought Coventry made a perfectly reasonable selection for heat 15 albeit there probably wasn't that much to choose between four riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Same as Sunday then with all the speakers off except the grandstand. I hope Mick has got a reduction in the rent. Didn't anyone else notice the tactical thinking going on in heat 10? If Danny hadn't come last in that heat Belle Vue would have had the chance to use Scotty with a Badger hat (as my friend calls it) on the best gate in heat 11. I guess what is done is done and we still got our 4 points. 3 points...... mdmc82. Sorry my mistake lol. Got used to writing 4points lately. Noticed that King didn't seem to be fighting that hard to get 3rd in heat 10. A lot of fans shouting stay back when watching the prior heat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I doubt that was the plan. If King had managed third Coventry would have had a 4-2, a net gain of 2 points. If that then allowed Belle Vue to use a tactical the biggest net gain they could achieve would have been 3 extra points. Would you really deliberately lose 2 definite points because of a risk that the opposition might then gain 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Havvy to C Morton before heat 10: OK, if you let Danny finish last in this one so you can't use the jeux sans frontieres golden double, we'll give you a 5-1 in 15 so you can have a league point. But if we meet you in the playoffs, you have to let us win. Mort: OK Gaz, deal. See you in the pub later. Not. Edited April 25, 2015 by Robert Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 You have to remember Kylmakorpi got his points as a 2nd string. Not the same quality of heats to the heat leaders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) You have to remember Kylmakorpi got his points as a 2nd string. Not the same quality of heats to the heat leaders. It's more relevant to look at who he beat. Kylmakorpi, King and Andersen all beat the Aces top two who were in heat 15, Zagar and Nicholls. King beat Nicholls twice. Harris beat Zagar but lost to Nicholls on the two occasions they met. On that basis Havelock arguably chose his strongest pairing in King and Kylmakorpi. Edited April 25, 2015 by Aces51 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Kylmakorpi, one ride aside was having to pick people off- he was having to do it the hard way and didn't really look dominant - he's look like an ok second string. Bomber and Hans were gating a lot better and you had to fancy them to do better than Kylmakorpi. King looked better than them all TBF. Hindsight says King was a poor choice for 15 but before hand it was a reasonable choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Perhaps Havvy was just trying to keep ALL the team happy by sharing out the heat fifteen rides where possible, seeing as the match was won it was a good place to do it especially as almost every rider had a call on it...Personally I would have put Joonas & Bomber in. there was a lot of incentive for Bomber to win it and I think he would have done it. the heat fifteen nominations can cause discord among the team after all its about the earnings.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Perhaps Havvy was just trying to keep ALL the team happy by sharing out the heat fifteen rides where possible, seeing as the match was won it was a good place to do it especially as almost every rider had a call on it...Personally I would have put Joonas & Bomber in. there was a lot of incentive for Bomber to win it and I think he would have done it. the heat fifteen nominations can cause discord among the team after all its about the earnings.... Perhaps the nominated heat15 race should be heat1. I know a lot of you may think this is a stupid idea, but seen as we are in stupid and rutting season within speedway at the moment lets treat it with the utter contempt it deserves. Edited April 25, 2015 by Barrycuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 So Bomber failed to beat Scott at all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 So Bomber failed to beat Scott at all? Chris 3rd, Scott 2nd in heat 3. Chris 4th, Scott 3rd in heat 13 so no. Someone is going to be pleased. Hindsight says King was a poor choice for 15 but before hand it was a reasonable choice. Not according to my Birmingham friend as he said Danny would come last and he was right. He's a bit like Rory - don't use him in heat 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Not according to my Birmingham friend as he said Danny would come last and he was right. He's a bit like Rory - don't use him in heat 15. You're not wrong there In the last 5 seasons his average in heat 15 is 3.62 (using traditional calculation of averages). Compared to Rorys of 5.02. The man you want in a heat 15 is KK believe it or not, he's top of the heat 15 averages for the last 5 years. Probably the two biggest over achievers are Ben Barker and Bjarne Pedersen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 You're not wrong there In the last 5 seasons his average in heat 15 is 3.62 (using traditional calculation of averages). Compared to Rorys of 5.02. The man you want in a heat 15 is KK believe it or not, he's top of the heat 15 averages for the last 5 years. Probably the two biggest over achievers are Ben Barker and Bjarne Pedersen though. What's bjerre's away average this year I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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