Speedy swindon pete Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Great meeting last night, some cracking racing from both sets of riders. The track has produced some pretty decent stuff in most meetings this season so far, will certainly be sad to see it go. Nick is really starting to show us what he's capable of now. We know he's got the track craft and bravery, he just hasn't always had the bike setup underneath him to utilise. He was electric last night, you could tell he was on it as soon as he got stuck behind Harris in his first heat and was hiving to coast round to not run into Bomber. If he could gate more consistently that will certainly help his scores out, not quite as fun to watch that way though. Isn't it GRW that says you don't know what a good track is unless you're a rider or track staff??? They are consistent...if nothing else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Bjerre is a GP standard rider ,if he isn't scoring 7 or 8 points minimum then he isn't doing his job.He has a 7.5 starting average, so of course some meetings he will score under 7. Under this heat format most heat leaders will have the odd meeting where they score very low. If kl want to strengthen its porsing I would look at replacing not bjerre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Great meeting last night, some cracking racing from both sets of riders. The track has produced some pretty decent stuff in most meetings this season so far, will certainly be sad to see it go. Nick is really starting to show us what he's capable of now. We know he's got the track craft and bravery, he just hasn't always had the bike setup underneath him to utilise. He was electric last night, you could tell he was on it as soon as he got stuck behind Harris in his first heat and was hiving to coast round to not run into Bomber. If he could gate more consistently that will certainly help his scores out, not quite as fun to watch that way though. Isn't it GRW that says you don't know what a good track is unless you're a rider or track staff??? They are consistent...if nothing else. It's pleasing to read the track at Swindon was good. the sport wants all the track that way. I don't remember saying that comment above, what I said was it's wrong to judge a track by the amount of overtaking. To me a good track will be smooth, safe and consistent....... He has a 7.5 starting average, so of course some meetings he will score under 7. Under this heat format most heat leaders will have the odd meeting where they score very low. If kl want to strengthen its porsing I would look at replacing not bjerre. Porsing, another rider who has come back from injury. Given time, he will be OK. As I said getting injured has nothing to do with putting no effort in .....the joke is trying to make a link between the two . By the way how do know that people were watching ride for the first time ? I watched Kenny live or on Tv I expect over 50 times . You have probably watched KB many times before, but this could be the first since his last injury.. You say it is a joke to connect past accidents to that of their present form, Then I suggest to talk with Chris Holder. A shadow of his former self who has gone from World Champion to someone who is struggling at the moment...and that is totally down to his previous injuries.... But given time, hopefully, both will recapture their former ability....... Sorry if this sort of thing disappoints you....... but they're not robots...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Not sure why so much negativity towards this King's Lynn team. They are unbeaten at home and have a good chance of remaining that way for a while esp with the form of Kerr and Lambert. They may have lost this meeting but they were away from home against a team that were even stronger than normal due to guests. It will be a bit harder for King's Lynn than last year as whilst they have kept the same team as last season (although slightly weaker without Rose) the other teams are stronger than last year so more competitive. Think that will make the league a lot closer this year with not one stand out team. King's Lynn also have Iversen and Porsing returning from injury. I still have no doubt that King's Lynn will make the top 4. Edited April 25, 2015 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I think what orion is saying about Bjerre is that there was no effort when he was behind, that is inexcusable injuries or not. He dorks should be good enough to pick off lesser riders for the odd point here and there even if he gates last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 He dorks should be good enough to pick off lesser riders for the odd point here and there even if he gates last. That word should be added to speedway terminology for pootling round at the back much easier for texters and tweeters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) It's pleasing to read the track at Swindon was good. the sport wants all the track that way. I don't remember saying that comment above, what I said was it's wrong to judge a track by the amount of overtaking. To me a good track will be smooth, safe and consistent....... Porsing, another rider who has come back from injury. Given time, he will be OK. You have probably watched KB many times before, but this could be the first since his last injury.. You say it is a joke to connect past accidents to that of their present form, Then I suggest to talk with Chris Holder. A shadow of his former self who has gone from World Champion to someone who is struggling at the moment...and that is totally down to his previous injuries.... But given time, hopefully, both will recapture their former ability....... Sorry if this sort of thing disappoints you....... but they're not robots...... Yet again thou Holder is doubt finding things hard he still puts in 100 % effort unlike Kenny so as I said not trying has nothing to with coming back from injury . Edited April 25, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Just compare Kenneth's moves on track to what Niels and Rory were doing, they're all heat leaders after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) That word should be added to speedway terminology for pootling round at the back much easier for texters and tweeters Haha, no idea where that came from! Should have been 'still'. Good old smart phones....... Edited April 25, 2015 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 He has a 7.5 starting average, so of course some meetings he will score under 7. Under this heat format most heat leaders will have the odd meeting where they score very low. If kl want to strengthen its porsing I would look at replacing not bjerre. That average was achieved whilst riding in the GP's last year so any scores below are well below an expected showing from a GP standard rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 That average was achieved whilst riding in the GP's last year so any scores below are well below an expected showing from a GP standard rider. You don't get averages do you? If a rider score 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 then he has a 7 point average. If a rider score 7 9 5 3 11 7 6 8 he has a 7 point average. If a 7 point rider scores 6 and has NOT scored "well below" anything other than some mythical, made up figure in your head. He has scored slightly below it, but the whole point of an average is that some times you'll be a bit below it and sometimes you'll be a bit above it. The trick in speedway is to as much as possible to be above it but the odd meeting below it is not the end of the World and has be be expected. What is poor is scoring 2s and 3s and looking disinterested. I think we can all accept that from time to time a rider will have a bad meeting, what we cannot accept is that from time to time a rider will turn up and no give a damn. Its why Garrity could turn up at Kings Lynn on Wednesday for Coventry and score 1 or 2 but while we'll all be disappointed I doubt anyone will have a go at him because we know he will be busting his nuts of to score more. But there are some riders, you just can't be sure that is true of and it seems Bjerre is going through the motions at times this season according to those who see him. Contract his loss of form to Holders,most people are saying how sad that is because we can clearly see he is trying, it's just not working for him - but his determination to work through it should see him sort it out, while Bjerres giving up will only make things worse. What I will say in Bjerre defence is even when he's riding at his best he looks like a man whos not trying, it's just his style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 You don't get averages do you? If a rider score 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 then he has a 7 point average. If a rider score 7 9 5 3 11 7 6 8 he has a 7 point average. If a 7 point rider scores 6 and has NOT scored "well below" anything other than some mythical, made up figure in your head. He has scored slightly below it, but the whole point of an average is that some times you'll be a bit below it and sometimes you'll be a bit above it. The trick in speedway is to as much as possible to be above it but the odd meeting below it is not the end of the World and has be be expected. What is poor is scoring 2s and 3s and looking disinterested. I think we can all accept that from time to time a rider will have a bad meeting, what we cannot accept is that from time to time a rider will turn up and no give a damn. Its why Garrity could turn up at Kings Lynn on Wednesday for Coventry and score 1 or 2 but while we'll all be disappointed I doubt anyone will have a go at him because we know he will be busting his nuts of to score more. But there are some riders, you just can't be sure that is true of and it seems Bjerre is going through the motions at times this season according to those who see him. Contract his loss of form to Holders,most people are saying how sad that is because we can clearly see he is trying, it's just not working for him - but his determination to work through it should see him sort it out, while Bjerres giving up will only make things worse. What I will say in Bjerre defence is even when he's riding at his best he looks like a man whos not trying, it's just his style. The predictable and condescending type of reply I've not missed. Bjerre and WOFFY both had mediocre British league campaigns last season so a 7 point average is not the standard expected of world class riders. So to be aiming to maintain that low standard is well beneath and is short changing the Stars team and supporters. His away scores so far make dismal reading of 2,3, 3. Bjerre is not a 7 point STANDARD rider.Feel free to argue the point, you usually do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Bjerre last season was about a point worse than the likes of ward and zagar. I actually think that shows his average was about what you would expect in this format, whereas I agree you would expect woffy to average at least a point more. Clearly his away form this season is very poor, but I don't think there are better options to replace him. Certainly you'd be better trying to find a six pointer to replace porsing than a 7 pointer to replace bjerre if you are wanting to strengthen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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