bigeddiechek Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I'm not quite sure where this notion that the club should provide the riders with bikes comes from. Surely it is the riders' responsibility for their equipment? As far as I am aware, clubs pay riders a fee for every meeting, is that not only to provide a living, but also finance the "tools of their trade"? I might be getting this completely wrong, of course. One thing is for sure, riders have been remarkably adept at wooing fans for financial support, which is perfectly understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I'm not quite sure where this notion that the club should provide the riders with bikes comes from. Surely it is the riders' responsibility for their equipment? As far as I am aware, clubs pay riders a fee for every meeting, is that not only to provide a living, but also finance the "tools of their trade"? I might be getting this completely wrong, of course. One thing is for sure, riders have been remarkably adept at wooing fans for financial support, which is perfectly understandable. Don't think anyone does think that, but the club should make sure when they sign any rider, that his bikes are competetive, and they can fulfil their role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Most riders negotiate Signing on fee to cover some mechanical and transport costs I would imagine.I agree it is a"catch 22 "situation .Any money from supporters clubs should just be a bonus.A lot of riders have a knack of pleading poverty though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Angus Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I spoke about this with a couple of ex-riders I know. Both said there are usually different deals on offer. Some riders get a signing-on fee at the start of the year, which would allow him to 'tool up' for the season, but comes with an agreed pay rate of so much per point. Alternatively, the rider might ask for (and get) a much-larger payment per point, but without any signing-on fee. Either way, the promoter probably on average ends up paying the guy about the same total amount over the year -- although if he has a better-than-expected season and has opted for the higher per-point rate he would do much better financially. Neither of my friends would have expected a promoter to bail them out over mechanical problems after a deal had been struck, and both said they had been helped by outside sources (sponsors, supporters groups) when they had bigger problems with equipment during their careers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havenagotahope Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I'm not quite sure where this notion that the club should provide the riders with bikes comes from. Surely it is the riders' responsibility for their equipment? As far as I am aware, clubs pay riders a fee for every meeting, is that not only to provide a living, but also finance the "tools of their trade"? I might be getting this completely wrong, of course. . Agree to a certain degree that riders do have a responsibility to provide the tools of the trade however the club have a duty to the fans to provide a level of entertainment for monies received and as the fans have no contract with the riders then that responsibility falls on said club now we could go into a long drawn out argument about the legal aspect but will save that for another debate. Fans expectation versus riders inability to provide balanced by inability to earn due to lack of funds and those fans not happy with provision of product = legal minefield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Agree to a certain degree that riders do have a responsibility to provide the tools of the trade however the club have a duty to the fans to provide a level of entertainment for monies received and as the fans have no contract with the riders then that responsibility falls on said club now we could go into a long drawn out argument about the legal aspect but will save that for another debate. Fans expectation versus riders inability to provide balanced by inability to earn due to lack of funds and those fans not happy with provision of product = legal minefield No need for a debate, a reference to the pertinent legislation will suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) My concern is do the riders have the equipment and back -up to support themselves when taking all these guest bookings ,these extra bookings could be taking their toll on the equipment ,then our fans will be asked for the collections.Only last season we had a rider who was saying his equipment was not up to scratch!!!! Vissing will be guesting for Peterborough this week at Redcar and Somerset, lets hope there`s no more machinery mishaps for him, added to that will be Edberg guesting at Ipswich, and Jorgensen guesting at Scunthorpe. Edited April 22, 2015 by screm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Vissing will be guesting for Peterborough this week at Redcar and Somerset, lets hope there`s no more machinery mishaps for him, added to that will be Edberg guesting at Ipswich, and Jorgensen guesting at Scunthorpe. The newsletter I received last night also said Doolan at Plymouth and Crang at Glasgow -- don't they count? Edited April 22, 2015 by crescent girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 My newsletter also said Doolan at Plymouth and Crang at Glasgow -- don't they count?It's you good self that composes the Berwick Newsletter then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) I'm not quite sure where this notion that the club should provide the riders with bikes comes from. Surely it is the riders' responsibility for their equipment? As far as I am aware, clubs pay riders a fee for every meeting, is that not only to provide a living, but also finance the "tools of their trade"? I might be getting this completely wrong, of course. One thing is for sure, riders have been remarkably adept at wooing fans for financial support, which is perfectly understandable. ive yet too work for an employer who will buy my tools for me to do a job for them My newsletter also said Doolan at Plymouth and Crang at Glasgow -- don't they count? My newsletter?!! Not sure you should be admitting that fact Edited April 22, 2015 by Goodiepatchie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 ive yet too work for an employer who will buy my tools for me to do a job for them Exactly, this sudden notion that the promotions should buy riders equipment is just loony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Just glad Cookies riding at Worky on Saturday night rather face Josh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 My newsletter?!! Not sure you should be admitting that factBetween posting on various different FB & forum accounts I'm surprised he finds the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Between posting on various different FB & forum accounts I'm surprised he finds the timehow many Facebook accounts is it now ?Three or four Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) how many Facebook accounts is it now ? Three or four At least four, he's writing programme notes and centre green duties. Amazing energy for an OAP Edited April 22, 2015 by Shads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Write Grazjonek off at your peril he could max out here on Saturday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 At least four, us writing programme notes and centre green duties. Amazing energy for an OAP I thought it was him writing programme notes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I thought it was him writing programme notes? Yeah, auto correct I'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 It's you good self that composes the Berwick Newsletter then? Sigh. OK, "The newsletter I received last night......" Pedant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 At least four, he's writing programme notes and centre green duties. Amazing energy for an OAPand hunting out Referees reports too Oh hang on that seems to have stopped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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