Ben91 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 No, British riders like Barker, Cook, King, Lawson are good for the PL and speedway would maybe not be financially viable for them otherwise. Just look at Lewis Bridger, if his average fit for the PL he would still be riding speedway in my opinion if he could ride in both leagues. Bridger has been eligible to double up between EL and PL in the past and not done it, that wouldn't have changed this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 As fishing expeditions go the OP has caught some whoppers!! Â Â If he did create this as a fishing exercise then yup " hook, line and sinker " as far as I'm concerned! Â There lies my problem, I'm too honest and forthright with my opinions and would never dream of doing the same. That's why I'm always caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Any rider that makes the PL stronger is alright by me. The better the rider, the better value for money for the paying punter. The EL started to deteriorate when the line ups were watered down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I thought a NEW rule was brought in at this years AGM about riders only being allowed to double for another 2 years and then they would have to decide about which league to ride in. That's the new rule brought in this year, the new rule from next year will be riders can double up/down for as long as they like! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Yes doubt employment law would allow the BSPA from preventing an individual from work/earning in both leagues if they had a willing employer..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Looks to me like he used his loaf and played the system, got an attractive average for this season...... For another club and we thank you very much for it! PS at least he made it look like he was trying - its not just penalties the Germans are better than the English at.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Yes doubt employment law would allow the BSPA from preventing an individual from work/earning in both leagues if they had a willing employer..... Using that theory employment law couldn't stop Holder, Doyle, Harris, Hans, Zagar and co from riding PL too. Or stop riders from signing for more than one club.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Converted averages and or terms of employment Visa might shoot holes in that SCB, but you may have something,if a PL promotion tried it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Dont get the issue. Â Riders like King, Cook and Stead are never going to be World Champion or make the gp's so what is wrong with riding to earn money? Â King and Stead both tried abroad and failed and Cook at last is having a go. Â These riders are draw cards. Â I now due to work and family go to Foxhall about 8 times a year. Â I will certainly be going when Cook is there and Stead as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Don't get the obsession some people have with wanting riders to race abroad. Perhaps the likes of Kennett & King are happy with their life. Kennett gets regular EL rides and holds down a job in the winter. Riding abroad would incur a lot more expense with the extra equipment etc.. also the risk of not getting paid while riding abroad think it was simon stead who lost money as he never got paid some years ago yes they pay good points money in some foriegn leagues but its no good if they dont actually pay whats is owed to riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Can't see why some people are so obsessed with people riding abroad.....any rider does what is best for themselves and to maximise their earning potential...a rider like Danny King is never going to be a world champion, he's never going to be a Grand Prix rider and he'll know that himself so why not ride in both leagues over here and earn good money without the expense of hopping around Europe and setting himself up over there when the deal he'd get wouldn't be the best either....it makes sense to me and it's good for the Premier League to have class English riders in it and good for fans to have that type of rider visiting their track as well. For a potential Grand Prix rider or potential world champ then it's a different story..they should be looking abroad ...but not everybody  Possibly not but it might help his chances of doing well on the World stage with GB.  If Smolinski can make it into the GP's then there is no reason why Danny couldn't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witches10 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 It could be that they don't want to ride abroad and be away from their families - King and Barker both have young children, so maybe they don't want to be sitting in airports and on planes for half their time so prefer to just ride in the UK, knowing that realistically they won't be world beaters so they possibly earn more that way than they would from riding abroad anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 It wasn't a fishing trip, just wanted other people's opinions on the subject.. I personally don't agree with doubling down, if that is its correct phrase... Doubling up, an up and coming youngster, to good for fast track, dipping his toe into the Elite League I think is good for British Speedway. But not so good the other way round, and the new rule capping it to two seasons is the right way to go especially the double-downers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Possibly not but it might help his chances of doing well on the World stage with GB. Â If Smolinski can make it into the GP's then there is no reason why Danny couldn't have. Are you serious i like King as a rider and a person,and he is a very good rider indeed but he was never ever going to qualify for a GP series.Smolinski ok is a bit hit and miss sometimes ,but he qualified through that tough qualifier.But he has great aquipment a good team around him and you don't win a GP by not being a good rider alot of good riders have never ever won one. Edited April 14, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 also the risk of not getting paid while riding abroad think it was simon stead who lost money as he never got paid some years ago yes they pay good points money in some foriegn leagues but its no good if they dont actually pay whats is owed to riders It's not just abroad. Some riders don't get paid over here It wasn't a fishing trip, just wanted other people's opinions on the subject.. I personally don't agree with doubling down, if that is its correct phrase... Doubling up, an up and coming youngster, to good for fast track, dipping his toe into the Elite League I think is good for British Speedway. But not so good the other way round, and the new rule capping it to two seasons is the right way to go especially the double-downers. I disagree. If the likes of Cook, King & Stead are made to choose between PL & EL and they chose the latter, the PL will be left weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 At least with Danny he tried ridnig abroad, Â and still is i think Munkebo in Denmark and Pila Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Are you serious i like King as a rider and a person,and he is a very good rider indeed but he was never ever going to qualify for a GP series.Smolinski ok is a bit hit and miss sometimes ,but he qualified through that tough qualifier.But he has great aquipment a good team around him and you don't win a GP by not being a good rider alot of good riders have never ever won one. Smoli the guy who has NEVER gone a season without riding in reserve in the EL? Until 2 years ago he'd not even managed to average 6. Danny King has been a 6-7 point man for about 5 or 6 years now. If Smoli can come form nowhere Danny King can. Â In fact what Smoli proves is most riders can come from nowhere and do it. If I'd told you 2 years ago Smoli would win a GP in 12 months time you'd have laughed a lot more than you have just done at blazeaways comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Are you serious i like King as a rider and a person,and he is a very good rider indeed but he was never ever going to qualify for a GP series.Smolinski ok is a bit hit and miss sometimes ,but he qualified through that tough qualifier.But he has great aquipment a good team around him and you don't win a GP by not being a good rider alot of good riders have never ever won one.i don't think King will qualify for a gp series either but your argument is flawed. He wasn't a million miles away on the gp challenge final at Poole and as pointed out to you King was a better rider than Smolinski was at the time he qualified so there is no reason to dismiss him out of hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 i don't think King will qualify for a gp series either but your argument is flawed. He wasn't a million miles away on the gp challenge final at Poole and as pointed out to you King was a better rider than Smolinski was at the time he qualified so there is no reason to dismiss him out of hand Danny was, and is a better rider than Smolinski, never trust a square head, he was a cheater and when the rule breaking was stopped went backwards very quickly!!! Just how good was he on the TV Saturday? A point in case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Danny was, and is a better rider than Smolinski, never trust a square head, he was a cheater and when the rule breaking was stopped went backwards very quickly!!! Just how good was he on the TV Saturday? A point in case! How was Smolinski a cheat? Â Have I missed something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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