SCB Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 mikebv, I agree.But I also think you're jumping ahead. Lets get rid of the need to use squad riders/guests first. Why do we need then? Rider injured, riders riding PL and riders riding in international meetings. We can't do anything about injuries but we can do something about the other two. We arrange meetings when PL and international meetings are not taking place. Was there any reason BV couldn't ride at Leicester last week and Coventry this week? If that had happened both away teams cold have had full 1-7s right? So why was that not done? Only when all possible options have been explored should meeting run with riders missing, THEN and only then should managed/promoters be looking at alternatives. Be that guests, squad riders or extended R/R. But in the first instance, lets remove the need for the facilities in the first place. Genuinely, if someone from the BSPA want to talk about my software, I'm listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) ??? But don't Poland have the answer already?..... I.e. Don't have them... Do you really think that Gollob riding for seven different teams each year week in week out as Rory for example does, would deliver the credibility to the sport that the sponsors of speedway in Poland would want? Would it bollox.. As I have already said we had this rule when the crowds were big and there were sponsors and the sport had plenty of Credibility ....Would it Bollox ? when quite clearly it did .No one cared if a rider rode for seven different teams seven nights a week so why should they now ? Edited April 11, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) As I have already said we had this rule when the crowds were big and there were sponsors and the sport had plenty of Credibility ....Would it Bollox ? when quite clearly it did .No one cared if a rider rode for seven different teams seven nights a week so why should they now ? People also got Polio, left their front doors unlocked, were happy to drive cars made by British Leyland and through a week in Barry Butlins was fun and Jimmy Saville was that nice guy on the tele who treated kids who wrote him a letter. Things more on. Edited April 11, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 So, was it a decent enough crowd at Leicester this evening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 As I have already said we had this rule when the crowds were big and there were sponsors and the sport had plenty of Credibility ....Would it Bollox ? when quite clearly it did .No one cared if a rider rode for seven different teams seven nights a week so why should they now ? The main difference was... 'they didnt'.. I remember Martin Ashby or Larry Ross replacing PC 'once every Preston Guild' when he was racing 'overseas' on a Sunday... The use of a 'Guest' used to be 'the exception to the rule'... Nowadays 'the exception to the rule' is seeing two teams with seven riders who are actually contracted to the two teams contesting the meeting..... mikebv, I agree.But I also think you're jumping ahead. Lets get rid of the need to use squad riders/guests first. Why do we need then? Rider injured, riders riding PL and riders riding in international meetings. We can't do anything about injuries but we can do something about the other two. We arrange meetings when PL and international meetings are not taking place. Was there any reason BV couldn't ride at Leicester last week and Coventry this week? If that had happened both away teams cold have had full 1-7s right? So why was that not done? Only when all possible options have been explored should meeting run with riders missing, THEN and only then should managed/promoters be looking at alternatives. Be that guests, squad riders or extended R/R. But in the first instance, lets remove the need for the facilities in the first place. Genuinely, if someone from the BSPA want to talk about my software, I'm listening. Agreed mate... It is either incompetence, ie the powers that be are incapable of organising the sport in a customer driven, professional, integrity focused way... Or, It is arrogance, ie the powers that be believe we the fans will turn up and pay our hard earned money to watch any nonsense they put in front of us... Or, it is ignorance, ie the powers that be simply cannot see the harm they do to the sport by sanctioning such a situation that occurred tonight... The sad thing is that, incredibly, it must be one of the above,..... Not good is it?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 So, was it a decent enough crowd at Leicester this evening?Yes it was a very decent crowd tonight and some good racing to boot.........seemed to be plenty of dirt on the outside for a change.I thought Nicholls was bloody good tonight for Belle Vue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Agreed mate... It is either incompetence, ie the powers that be are incapable of organising the sport in a customer driven, professional, integrity focused way... Or, It is arrogance, ie the powers that be believe we the fans will turn up and pay our hard earned money to watch any nonsense they put in front of us... Or, it is ignorance, ie the powers that be simply cannot see the harm they do to the sport by sanctioning such a situation that occurred tonight... The sad thing is that, incredibly, it must be one of the above,..... Not good is it?? Last season Coventry had to go to Eastbourne with a junior at 1 as Hans was in the SEC qualifier. The week after Swindon went to Eastbourne with a junior at 1 as Kildemand was in a SEC qualifier. Swindon and Coventry asked to switch dates. Eastbourne said no. Eastbourne as a club have lost 100s of thousands the last 10 years and they wonder why. On a Saturday in the summer Coventry and Swindon should have been taking hundreds of fans down there (Coventry often took a coach loads plus loads of us by car), how many people decided not to bother due to having to support a team with a junior at 1? So in arranging it, probably incompetence. But in not allowing it to switch at the request of the two opposition team? It's the ignorance and arrogance. Anyway, Eastbourne are now in the NL! Clearly they knew what they were doing LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) People also got Polio, left their front doors unlocked, were happy to drive cars made by British Leyland and through a week in Barry Butlins was fun and Jimmy Saville was that nice guy on the tele who treated kids who wrote him a letter. Things more on. Things only tend to move on when people find a solution to something or comes up with something better . As has been said so far after 50 odd years no one has come up with anything better than the guest rule . The point was made that speedway does nor deserve media coverage because of guests, the first point of course is that we been using them when the sport had plenty of media coverage and the second is do we really think they will come back if we never ? I doubt it . The main difference was... 'they didnt'.. I cant remember Rory guesting seven days in a row as you said he did ...the bottom line is thou guests are no doubt used more now unless you or anyone can come up with a better idea that's work in uk speedway in it's current state then there is no point in moaning about it . Edited April 11, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Things only tend to move on when people find a solution to something or come up with something better . As has been said so far after 50 odd years no one has come up with anything better than the guest rule . The point was made that we speedway does nor deserve media coverage because of the used of guests the first point of course is that we been using them when the sport had plenty of media coverage and the second is do we really think they will come back if we never ? I doubt it . I cant remember Rory guesting seven days in a row as you said he did ...the bottom line is thou guests are no doubt used more now unless you or anyone can come up with a better idea that's work in uk speedway in it's current state then there is no point in moaning about it . Those words sums it up... This country chooses to run the sport this way it does, others, more successfully, choose not to... As for the sport always using Guests even when it had 'plenty of media coverage'? World of Sport didn't run 'domestic league' speedway but Individual Meetings and Test Matches only, hence 'Guests' didn't exist in the eyes of the 'layman' watching... The BBC, every now and again, would show the BLRC, again no Guests... Anyway, getting bored now, suffice to say, if the sport didn't exist and you or I invented it tomorrow, if either of us muted the idea that teams could 'share' competitors whenever they felt the need arise, we would be viewed as needing the 'big head bus' to take us home!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Those words sums it up... This country chooses to run the sport this way it does, others, more successfully, choose not to... As for the sport always using Guests even when it had 'plenty of media coverage'? World of Sport didn't run 'domestic league' speedway but Individual Meetings and Test Matches only, hence 'Guests' didn't exist in the eyes of the 'layman' watching... The BBC, every now and again, would show the BLRC, again no Guests... Anyway, getting bored now, suffice to say, if the sport didn't exist and you or I invented it tomorrow, if either of us muted the idea that teams could 'share' competitors whenever they felt the need arise, we would be viewed as needing the 'big head bus' to take us home!!! Very true before you know it Football teams will be loaning players to other clubs and teams will have 6 loan players in the same side ..the Media would just walk away .Who does that Frank Lampard bloke play for ? The New York red city blues . Due to when they can used the stadiums the country does not have the choice on how it's runs the sport as it's hands and tied on many things unlike Sweden ,Poland etc Edited April 11, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Very true before you know it Football teams will be loaning players to other clubs and teams will have 6 loan players in the same side ..the Media would just walk away Think you will find Speedway loans riders just like Football does.... The difference though is in football, unlike speedway, 'loanees' don't play against their 'owners'... And as you are using a football analogy.. As a Utd fan, I am pretty sure I haven't seen Wayne Rooney play for Liverpool against Arsenal because Raheem Stirling was injured (or playing for a team in Poland) By the way... The bus is arriving.... Goodnight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 mikebv, I agree.But I also think you're jumping ahead. Lets get rid of the need to use squad riders/guests first. Why do we need then? Rider injured, riders riding PL and riders riding in international meetings. We can't do anything about injuries but we can do something about the other two. We arrange meetings when PL and international meetings are not taking place. Was there any reason BV couldn't ride at Leicester last week and Coventry this week? If that had happened both away teams cold have had full 1-7s right? So why was that not done? Only when all possible options have been explored should meeting run with riders missing, THEN and only then should managed/promoters be looking at alternatives. Be that guests, squad riders or extended R/R. But in the first instance, lets remove the need for the facilities in the first place. Genuinely, if someone from the BSPA want to talk about my software, I'm listening. GOOD points. When dear old Colin Pratt was involved compiling the fixtures list he would try and work round all the continental fixtures to avoid as many clashes as possible. And it was probably harder to achieve then than it is now. One has to wonder whether some promoters actually care about the teams they send to away fixtures. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 GOOD points. When dear old Colin Pratt was involved compiling the fixtures list he would try and work round all the continental fixtures to avoid as many clashes as possible. And it was probably harder to achieve then than it is now. One has to wonder whether some promoters actually care about the teams they send to away fixtures. One has to wonder as these things happen every year do some promoters do it on purpose in order to make sure they gain an advantage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 One has to wonder as these things happen every year do some promoters do it on purpose in order to make sure they gain an advantage I think that's more like it and as to why Leicester keeps the Saturday race day. Quite often away teams were with guests at Eastbourne too. Ok, Leicester's crowds are decent now but it won't take long before people get fed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 GOOD points. When dear old Colin Pratt was involved compiling the fixtures list he would try and work round all the continental fixtures to avoid as many clashes as possible. And it was probably harder to achieve then than it is now. One has to wonder whether some promoters actually care about the teams they send to away fixtures. I don't think you have to wonder. If some put as much effort into putting out the best side possible away from home (as opposed to just putting a side out), compared to the effort which goes into putting out a side at home, then speedway might be more appealing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 What is up with Simon Stead, this is not the first meeting he has not scored many points. They need to get behind him. He started off slow last year with the Lions but came good in the end. I don't believe this tosh about it being difficult at no.5 he was beating better riders in the World Cup last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ok, Leicester's crowds are decent now but it won't take long before people get fed up Crowd was down by a lot yesterday compared to the week before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenGauntlet Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Crowd was down by a lot yesterday compared to the week before It was a local derby the week before and there was the pairs on TV last night which would have stopped a few from going. Not surprising the crowd was down on last week, but was still a decent turnout despite BV fielding an unnecessarily weak team (which gifted Lions the win). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Shocking from Stead. We actually did better than I thought. If I was Leicester I'd be more than a tad worried, because I think with Cook and Zagar last night BV would have won this meeting. I rate this Leicester team, but I think the constant public bashing from Allen is having a negative impact. What BV need to do in away meetings is move Stead to 3 and Scott to 5. It will make us a lot stronger. Whilst I'm dissapointed, I'm not overly concerned because I can see us winning all of our home meetings. I think we are only a switch in riding order away from home, from picking the odd point. Edited April 12, 2015 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Yes, pain in the neck with riders missing from the Belle Vue team, which was the reason I decided not to go, but no way would there have been as big a crowd as the week before anyway. I saved my money to to to Peterborough today instead but I have an idea it might be a bit cold in that grandstand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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