Big Al Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Not as easy that thou as you are perming more than 2 riders ... your also got to perm a whole fixture list that has to include every team and every rider so it's fits in . No matter how you do it the moment you decide to ride at the weekend then this what is going to happen as it did with Eastie for the last few seasons . Avoidance of clashes with Grand Prix dates has been often highlighted in terms of Leicester's fixture planning last season and this. Fair enough, but that's only part of the story. The fact is there are so many opportunities for the "top" riders to have a preferential commitment elsewhere on a Saturday/weekend, and there isn't a lot their clubs can do about it in most instances, especially with those riders who are not based in the UK. The UK-based riders seem to be much better when it comes to fulfilling weekend UK commitments, but only up to a point. So unfortunately, the penny will drop, as it already has with many, that although a forthcoming fixtures at Leicester seem attractive, theres a fair chance the actual "product" will fall short of that. Of course you'll always get some diehards who will show up even if the away team tracks 7 National League guests, but will those numbers be enough in the long run as the "floating" punters get more and more sceptical and spend their money and time on something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Zagar doesn't miss many matches at all and his commitment can't be faulted....he can't miss the Slovenian Championships so the question is why couldn't something be arranged to have this fixture on a date that doesn't clash...once again it's the fans that are short changed by incompetent planning. I assume Leicester were quite happy to run without Zagar and Cook there as they had a better chance of winning...if so that's typical of speedway these days..short termism over giving entertainment to the fans and depriving them of seeing a GP star and a full strength team....speedway doesn't help itself sometimes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Zagar doesn't miss many matches at all and his commitment can't be faulted....he can't miss the Slovenian Championships so the question is why couldn't something be arranged to have this fixture on a date that doesn't clash...once again it's the fans that are short changed by incompetent planning. I assume Leicester were quite happy to run without Zagar and Cook there as they had a better chance of winning...if so that's typical of speedway these days..short termism over giving entertainment to the fans and depriving them of seeing a GP star and a full strength team....speedway doesn't help itself sometimes. In fairness to Leicester, they wouldn't have known when the fixture list was made that there would be no Zagar and no guest for him. At that stage all that is required is for BV can make the fixture. BV only have to declare their team three days before and it's a bit late to do anything about it by then. It seems incredible that BV would agree to the fixture if they knew Zagar was unavailable, but we don't know whether that was due to incompetence or some other reason. The point is that Leicester can't just cancel a meeting at the drop of a hat because it will involve a financial loss. However it's not going to encourage the fans when this sort of thing happens. Ironically BV seem to have thrown a couple of league points away that might ultimately edge them out of the play offs. The unavoidable fact is that the continental season makes things difficult for the domestic season and that is unlikely to change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Anyway.... I think that it was a cracking meeting, Scott Nicholls was a real man on a mission, he certainly has sussed the track out, I throughly enjoyed it.. Edited April 12, 2015 by Shale Searcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 I assume Leicester were quite happy to run without Zagar and Cook there as they had a better chance of winning...if so that's typical of speedway these days.. Don't really see that ... the concern of anyone running a speedway team is that the money side is sorted first even before start thinking about winning or losing ....I doubt any home promoter is going to happy about a side missing two of it's star riders when they visit unless it's at the tail end of season when you have to win to get into the play offs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 What BV need to do in away meetings is move Stead to 3 and Scott to 5. It will make us a lot stronger. Whilst I'm dissapointed, I'm not overly concerned because I can see us winning all of our home meetings. I think we are only a switch in riding order away from home, from picking the odd point. I'm missing something here. Numbers 3 & 5 ride together in two of their races so no change there. Number 3 then faces the oppositions number 1&5 then 3&4, whilst our number 5 faces their number 3&4 then 1&5. I don't get how it makes us a lot stronger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Can't for one moment understand what was wrong with Staed on Saturday he put in some tremendace meetings for the Lions last season. Maybe he was is just a bit rusty after the winter lay off. I think he will do far better for BV than he did at the weekend. Even so he had some real bad meetings too, not sure what really happens to him when he fails to perform, bad bike set up, or just a bad mind set on the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Anyway.... I think that it was a cracking meeting, Scott Nicholls was a real man on a mission, he certainly has sussed the track out, I throughly enjoyed it.. Have to agree, I thought it was an excellent meeting on a well prepared track. Belle Vue certainly didn't go down without a fight & maybe the final score slightly flattered Lions. Nicholls was impressive & looked very quick. For Lions thought Walesek looked excellent for his paid 14. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Have to agree, I thought it was an excellent meeting on a well prepared track. Belle Vue certainly didn't go down without a fight & maybe the final score slightly flattered Lions. Nicholls was impressive & looked very quick. For Lions thought Walesek looked excellent for his paid 14. Yes it did (score flatter) I thought there was a fair amount of passing too, not because of rider mistakes, but riders actually using the banking, putting there bikes in the right place, and attacking the track.... A good advert for Speedway.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 One has to wonder whether some promoters actually care about the teams they send to away fixtures. Instead of wondering you could ask Belle Vue management why they agreed to the fixture without Zagar then publish their comments in Speedwáy Star so the fans are informed, and whether they really are bothered about the sort of away teams they field. After all isn't the essence of good journalism something to do with finding out both sides of the story instead of just "wondering" ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Instead of wondering you could ask Belle Vue management why they agreed to the fixture without Zagar then publish their comments in Speedwáy Star so the fans are informed, and whether they really are bothered about the sort of away teams they field. After all isn't the essence of good journalism something to do with finding out both sides of the story instead of just "wondering" ? Should be easy as well seeing how close he's been with Morton and Gordon over the building of the new stadium . He was never short of info about that . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 It was the best racing I've seen at leicester last night. I actually enjoyed it except the result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennylion Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Decent meeting. Passing and good moves. Wozniak whole lot better than previous week. Walasek looked very good and Doyle was also very good. Pleasantly surprised by simon Lambert in his first two rides with His passing and competitiveness but just seems to leave the door open for opposing riders a bit too much, especially on turn 3. Time will tell on Bjarne but he seemed to improve. Auty will have better nights. May have been a different result or at least closer with Zagar. Scott Nicholls though was excellent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennylion Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) DP Edited April 12, 2015 by Glennylion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I don't think the issue is so much guests. We can accept that when a rider gets injured there probably little choice.But why arrange meetings that clash so that a team has to use 2 guests when it CAN be avoided.Because u haven't given them your computer programme yet 😉 GOOD points. When dear old Colin Pratt was involved compiling the fixtures list he would try and work round all the continental fixtures to avoid as many clashes as possible. And it was probably harder to achieve then than it is now. One has to wonder whether some promoters actually care about the teams they send to away fixtures. You shouldn't be wondering, can't you get someone to ask and put the answer in the Star! Perhaps they could inform the BSPA member of Shawn's software too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Perhaps they could inform the BSPA member of Shawn's soft tool! You can get tablets for that nowadays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I think, and I could be wrong here, that the banking on the first turn has been altered. Riders don't seem to be trown out towards the fence has they used to be. They also seem to be able to get there weels in line better coming out of the bend and down the back straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I think, and I could be wrong here, that the banking on the first turn has been altered. Riders don't seem to be trown out towards the fence has they used to be. They also seem to be able to get there weels in line better coming out of the bend and down the back straight. I was impressed with how well Fricke used b4. When you go out to the fence you seemed to get stuck but he was using to great advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Avoidance of clashes with Grand Prix dates has been often highlighted in terms of Leicester's fixture planning last season and this. And doubling up! I assume Leicester were quite happy to run without Zagar and Cook there as they had a better chance of winning...if so that's typical of speedway these days..short termism over giving entertainment to the fans and depriving them of seeing a GP star and a full strength team....speedway doesn't help itself sometimes. The problem is that when BV have a full team, It is possible that Leicester wouldn't. Its a balancing act which is difficult to sort out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I think, and I could be wrong here, that the banking on the first turn has been altered. Riders don't seem to be trown out towards the fence has they used to be. They also seem to be able to get there weels in line better coming out of the bend and down the back straight. I was wondering myself, if in fact these new silencers are giving the engines a better airflow... So the spent gasses aren't getting backed up in the silencers, and killing the engine in the deeper dirt up the banking......? So when a rider goes up there, instead of the dirt killing the motor, the motor is providing usable revs instead of stopping the motor in its prime........ Scotty Nicholls was using the banking on turn one and two with good effect, with the old silencers, he'd have been left out to dry there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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