abyassinian bandit Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 cant have been that old Sarah I certainly remember Oxford apart from heat 15 Yep.. i was only 3 going on 4.. syrange though that i remember going to bradford that year.. I've seen the DVD you got for Mam and Dad .. Heat 15 marred what had been a stunning display from us... gone are those days! what was even more impressive was the next night at home to wolves when we beat them with a patched up team with juniors and R/R (no guests allowed that year !!) and Wolves were top of the league and eventual champs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Apart from one poster who seems to believe everything is fine and dandy it would appear that many regulars are thinking about whether or not to go to the speedway in future weeks, when you hear long serving fans saying they haven't renewed season tickets, or fans for the first time ever walking out before the end that must have the alarm bells ringing. To be honest on what we saw last night you cant blame them, ultra slick track, gate and go processional racing lightened only by one excellent ride by Craig Cook who somehow managed to be last away from the tapes yet was yards clear by the end of the race. I actually felt sorry for some of the riders, particularly Doolan and Barker who in a couple of the later heats rode their you know what's off and went nowhere. Thankfully its Scunthorpe next week, defeat against them is unthinkable. This will be the first time this season where Berwick have raced on the same night of a SGP, it will be interesting to see the crowd level as, with no disrespect to them, the Scorpions don't exactly travel in huge numbers so the promotion will be relying on the people of Berwick and surrounding areas to come out and not stay at home. Edited April 12, 2015 by screm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 That for me at Berwick was standard fare. Passing is always at a premium but can be spectacular on the very rare occasion you see it. Heat 5 last night was one of the best examples I have seen at Berwick ever, cookie was absolutely brilliant. People are complaining about the racing but because the overtaking was done by the other team and Craig in particular it has been glossed over. Heat 8 was the turning point, everyone thinking a 5-1 to Berwick was likely but Justin got out the gate and with some fresh air looked good, only cookies race times were quicker. Rob was very impressive again putting his bike on the right line and very difficult to pass. Kevin w looked good again and Max tried hard picking up crucial points and making sure crang scored nothing. Sam actually looked a little under power and had to run some defensive lines but very impressive in 13&15 to make sure we picked up all 4 points. This with virtually a 6 man team as Erik struggles to be competitive out the gate. He wasn't a million miles away though and hopefully as he picks up experience things will start to click into place. As for Berwick barker wasn't fit, taking his left hand off the bike during races and in obvious pain. Fair play for trying and I'll look forward to him vs Craig next time. Claus looked good and was surprised he wasn't in 15. Doolan and Thomas were good but not exceptional. Thomas only list to Craig and can but never looked like beating them. Kev was the same except the fateful heat 8. Alex looked like being the match winner early on until rob for the better of him and he'll be disappointed with 8 from 7. Unsure what matic would have scored but r/r only returned 3 and meant Luke had to have a4th race, he never looked like scoring after a mistake in heat 2 allowed Max through. As the Scotsman says Berwick have probably has their 2 toughest home meetings in the first 2 weeks without Ben at his best so I wouldn't give up on them yet. Glad we doubled the tigers score without the need for a tactical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Apart from one poster who seems to believe everything is fine and dandy it would appear that many regulars are thinking about whether or not to go to the speedway in future weeks, when you hear long serving fans saying they haven't renewed season tickets, or fans for the first time ever walking out before the end that must have the alarm bells ringing. To be honest on what we saw last night you cant blame them, ultra slick track, gate and go processional racing lightened only by one excellent ride by Craig Cook who somehow managed to be last away from the tapes yet was yards clear by the end of the race. I actually felt sorry for some of the riders, particularly Doolan and Barker who in a couple of the later heats rode their you know what's off and went nowhere. Thankfully its Scunthorpe next week, defeat against them is unthinkable. This will be the first time this season where Berwick have raced on the same night of a SGP, it will be interesting to see the crowd level as, with no disrespect to them, the Scorpions don't exactly travel in huge numbers so the promotion will be relying on the people of Berwick and surrounding areas to come out and not stay at home. yeah BigEd the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand Edited April 12, 2015 by Goodiepatchie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 yeah BigEd the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand Not at all, I can see exactly where Berwick is going, and the only way to stop it going that way. I remember people complaining all the time because Peter prepared a soaking wet, deep, bumpy track. The same people are now complaining because we don't have that. Fortunately the few people who come on here to gripe are just that. Unfortunately, everyone can see it. What I would say, is all the people that don't enjoy it: don't go, then at least it is not a slow painful death for us that do enjoy it. The fact is, they will not do that as it is all bluster on here behind a keyboard. It gives them an inflated sense of importance. The thought of them announcing that they are no longer going, yet the club still surviving, would destroy their raison d'etre. They don't have the marbles to carry out their empty threats. On that note, I shall continue to enjoy speedway: while we have it, no head in sand, completely realistic about the future, and where the blame will lie if it all ceases to run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 In response to the idiot aboves post, I dont go simply because I dont think it is any value for money for what you get, nor do I think the team is any good, its nothing to do with my own self importance. If I genuinely felt that they had put together a 1-7 they genuinely believed in and reall wanted to do well I would be there alot more, but unfortunately I dont think thats the case. I genuinely also feel very worried for the club moving forward, I cant really see where it goes at the moment which is worrying. Scott can have a go at the people who come on here and air there displeasure at what they see but I know diehard fans who dont come on here that have had enough, surely thats got to be the worrying point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 In response to the idiot aboves post, I dont go simply because I dont think it is any value for money for what you get, nor do I think the team is any good, its nothing to do with my own self importance. If I genuinely felt that they had put together a 1-7 they genuinely believed in and reall wanted to do well I would be there alot more, but unfortunately I dont think thats the case. I genuinely also feel very worried for the club moving forward, I cant really see where it goes at the moment which is worrying. Scott can have a go at the people who come on here and air there displeasure at what they see but I know diehard fans who dont come on here that have had enough, surely thats got to be the worrying point.good post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 It saddens me to hear Berwick fans complaining like this so early in the season. I love the set up at Berwick where spectators get close to the track but when you get riders well capable of racing and passing yet witness them busting a gut to do anything when they miss the gate, it's painful. I feel for the riders too as it reflects badly on them and does nothing for their confidence. I don't know what the answer is ..... the outside of bend 2 looked pretty ploughed up before start time last night but the inside was rock solid (I didn't look anywhere else). Maybe the riders and track staff need put their heads together? The Anderson's are good people who want Berwick speedway to flourish and I believe your team is competitive. Early injuries are really bad luck. Keep the faith folks and use it or lose it...... Cookie was 1st class and I don't think he was in the mood to let anyone rain on his parade 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Not at all, I can see exactly where Berwick is going, and the only way to stop it going that way. I remember people complaining all the time because Peter prepared a soaking wet, deep, bumpy track. The same people are now complaining because we don't have that. Fortunately the few people who come on here to gripe are just that. Unfortunately, everyone can see it. What I would say, is all the people that don't enjoy it: don't go, then at least it is not a slow painful death for us that do enjoy it. The fact is, they will not do that as it is all bluster on here behind a keyboard. It gives them an inflated sense of importance. The thought of them announcing that they are no longer going, yet the club still surviving, would destroy their raison d'etre. They don't have the marbles to carry out their empty threats. On that note, I shall continue to enjoy speedway: while we have it, no head in sand, completely realistic about the future, and where the blame will lie if it all ceases to run. speedway will never survive with a deluded mindset ... As a business You need to look after loyal customers, not jonny come lately who comes every other week for the craic..a business relys on providing a product to please the customer, once pleased they are very likely to come back and spread there glee to others who will then become customers and so on. dont keep the regulars happy, the ones that have kept you afloat for years, what chance have you attracting and keeping new customers?? Working with supporters clubs would be a start, instead of divide and rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 speedway will never survive with a deluded mindset ... As a business You need to look after loyal customers, not jonny come lately who comes every other week for the craic..a business relys on providing a product to please the customer, once pleased they are very likely to come back and spread there glee to others who will then become customers and so on. dont keep the regulars happy, the ones that have kept you afloat for years, what chance have you attracting and keeping new customers?? Working with supporters clubs would be a start, instead of divide and rule. its like taking your car to the garage and it not being fixed but hey the mechanics are a good bunch of lads and we had a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Good performance by the Monarchs, kudos to Rob Branford and the top 2. Can't help but to be reminded of Exeter with the similarity in situations with tracks squeezed in around a rugger/football pitch. Lay a smooth track the place is a gaters paradise, only way to win is a bumpy wet track that spooks the away guys but irritates the purists. Hell of a quandary to be in. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one arm bandit Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 I think we knew last nights result before the first heat had started. A number one that isn't fit, using r/r to for matic and a reserve learning the ropes wasn't a recipe for success. Barker should never have been riding last night whether he wanted to or not. He should've had another week off and back for next weeks meeting, the meetings that actually count!!. He clearly wasn't fully fit. hope he hasn't made the injury worse. As for who we sign think it should be a new rider, Arnio would be a step back. Kai Huckenbeck would do a job after watching last nights pairs, think he'd cum in on a 5 ??. As for crangy he needs to learn his trade and plus what other 3 pointers is there going about apart from Bradley Wilson dean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 speedway will never survive with a deluded mindset ... As a business You need to look after loyal customers, not jonny come lately who comes every other week for the craic..a business relys on providing a product to please the customer, once pleased they are very likely to come back and spread there glee to others who will then become customers and so on. dont keep the regulars happy, the ones that have kept you afloat for years, what chance have you attracting and keeping new customers?? Working with supporters clubs would be a start, instead of divide and rule. Perfectly put, the Supporters Clubs doesn't even get a mention on the clubs news letters, I will check last nights programme as I am sure up coming events will be advertised there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Perfectly put, the Supporters Clubs doesn't even get a mention on the clubs news letters, I will check last nights programme as I am sure up coming events will be advertised there. worst mistake they made was alienating the supporters club 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotsBandit79 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 We could drag up the old strength in depth debate versus top heavy but seems foolish after a handful of matches... Essentially warmup matches that don't really count for much before the league business begins. Let's put things into perspective... We have one of the leagues top riders in Ben Barker at number 1. The compromise of this is having one of the least experienced reserves in Luke Crang. Let's not beat around the bush here. He is coming back from injury and is going to take some time to find his feet, especially considering he will be visiting many tracks for the first time. This is a results based business though and you wonder how long he will be given to get going. Ben was clearly not fit, and when he gets to fitness, he will be near unbeatable around Shielfield in a similar vein to Cookie and Steady around their home tracks. To simplify the gate and go debate, ask Lee Complin how to pass round Berwick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 worst mistake they made was alienating the supporters club Your right, though be careful, you may be hit with the "your just looking for self importance, or attention seeking" stick. I think we knew last nights result before the first heat had started. A number one that isn't fit, using r/r to for matic and a reserve learning the ropes wasn't a recipe for success. Barker should never have been riding last night whether he wanted to or not. He should've had another week off and back for next weeks meeting, the meetings that actually count!!. He clearly wasn't fully fit. hope he hasn't made the injury worse. As for who we sign think it should be a new rider, Arnio would be a step back. Kai Huckenbeck would do a job after watching last nights pairs, think he'd cum in on a 5 ??. As for crangy he needs to learn his trade and plus what other 3 pointers is there going about apart from Bradley Wilson dean? Barker should not have ridden last night, it might've been wise for the club to insist he had at least one practice to see if there was a reaction, it wasn't as if they would struggle to find a guest given Barkers average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBSC Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 worst mistake they made was alienating the supporters club Supporters Club events not mentioned in programme or by centre green presenter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 I've always found it strange that your not allowed to complain without being shot down in flames , if you went to a football or rugby match or went to the cinema and what you saw there was poor you'd quite happily complain about that so why is that when you see a bad meeting you can't say so ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 speedway will never survive with a deluded mindset ... As a business You need to look after loyal customers, not jonny come lately who comes every other week for the craic..a business relys on providing a product to please the customer, once pleased they are very likely to come back and spread there glee to others who will then become customers and so on. dont keep the regulars happy, the ones that have kept you afloat for years, what chance have you attracting and keeping new customers?? Working with supporters clubs would be a start, instead of divide and rule. I'm not sure what you mean about divide and rule with supporters club? Have I missed something? One of the points I was making is that a lot of regulars (including one who has gone since the very beginning) still enjoy it. OK, they accept that there wasn't a lot of passing last night, but Cook was superb. They also accept that we have started the season against two of the top teams. They also accept that we have had a bit of bad luck with the 2 injuries. They also thought that the remainder of the team all put in a decent shift. He is a diehard, but not a glory hunter. He is also realistic about what speedway is, and his expectations. Don't be fooled by the few who come on here and regulary stick the boot in on here. They are not representative of the wider picture: look around this forum, it is generally the same types from all clubs. I don't see the point of coming on here and making passive aggressive threats about not coming back, or that people are going to walk if things aren't done their way. Why don't they decide not to go if they hate it so much? The fact is that they need something to moan about, and also an internet forum gives them an inflated sense of self importance. If I were the club, I'd invite them along to a meeting to get everything off their chest, because there will be criticisms that are fair and can be put in place. Surely that is a better way to do it? Let's just take one example. There was a constant complaint about us not having an out and out number 1 for years. So, the club signed Ricky who banged in the points and got the big wins for us. Now we have Barker, but not a peep on here about how good a signing he is: kind of says it all really. Some people must just like a good moan! Thankfully we have Robin on form with some witty posts to relieve the depression on here! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Wölbert is a rider who hasn't ever really pulled any trees up at Berwick. ..and to be honest I'm not sure why. Continental tracks are wide entering the corners unlike Berwick and he's partly a confidence rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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