Woz01 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I, for one , was one of the Bees fans last night frustrated with Hans during the loss last night as he did have a shocker! and had he scored the points he normally scores we could and maybe would have won. However, having slept on it and now put the frustration of the loss behind me, one bad night at the office does not make a bad No 1 and Hans is obviously normally a really class act - hence the frustration last night for both the fans and himself no doubt! He will bounce back I am sure and continue to get the backing from all true Bees supporters. As for last night - damage was done in the first 4 heats lost by 6-18 Score following those heats was 35-30 to the Bees including a couple of dodgy decisions by the ref and also some unfortunate ef on the night - so some positives to take ... Cheers Can't argue with any of that. My frustration with Hans was that the previous night he dropped one point when guesting for Swindon. When fans see that I can understand why he is being questioned. He won't score that poorly again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Doesn't help dropping only 1 point the night before when guesting though. His score was the difference in winning and losing unfortunately. Luckily he shouldn't perform that badly again. Until the play-off final like last year....... Bit of strategic planning needed here: Start looking now for a replacement no 1 by the end of September. Someone who'd be fully committed on a cold October's night at Wimborne Road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Haha one bad meeting and people are talking about changes Whilst Poole are one of the strongest teams in the league, if had 2 full teams (Watt/Robbo) we would have won this even with Hans having a off night. That's very encouraging. Hans has said on Twitter that both his bikes let him down last night. He's not the first rider for that to happen to and he lost out on point money. Sarjeant also had bike problems in first couple of heats which made difference as when on good equipment he can beat any reserve at Brandon as he proved in heat 12! Last night was the strongest line up we will most likely face all year esp once Watt is back. Think both Coventry and Poole should make top 4 with teams they have. Last night was one of those nights where what will go wrong, goes wrong. Was good to see Holder return after his accident. Must have been hard for him after last year. Edited April 11, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 What a strange looking scorecard. Has Holder had once crash too many and lost his mojo? Rory guesting at 2 for Poole farcical on so many levels and Newman showing once again why he should have been graded much higher on the reserve list. Can see Poole breaking Lynn's winning streak record from last year at this rate. With a bit of luck they'll have run out of steam by September too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) What a strange looking scorecard. Has Holder had once crash too many and lost his mojo? Rory guesting at 2 for Poole farcical on so many levels and Newman showing once again why he should have been graded much higher on the reserve list. Can see Poole breaking Lynn's winning streak record from last year at this rate. With a bit of luck they'll have run out of steam by September too.....[/quote Rory was the best rider last night whilst Watt never does better than a 3rd or last place on our track. Whilst Heeps as hard as he tried wasn't a replacement for Robson. Edited April 11, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Sorry, but if you've got a chance to change your team for the better by getting a 6.00 man in for Robbo, then head rules over heart everytime, yes Robbo hasn't had a fair chance this season, but you know what youll get from him, titles come from making harsh decisions, 6.00 man wins everytime, simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Sorry, but if you've got a chance to change your team for the better by getting a 6.00 man in for Robbo, then head rules over heart everytime, yes Robbo hasn't had a fair chance this season, but you know what youll get from him, titles come from making harsh decisions, 6.00 man wins everytime, simple. Easier said than done, as we found with Jamrog there aren't many 6pt riders out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Maybe somebody needed to tell Hans that was why then as after riding for Swindon he often complained that they expected you to ride for free and then his rant on Twitter during the dinner dance about their fans not appreciating him (something to do with not being in their top 3 riders of the year) gave the impression he didn't want to return. PK wasn't returning this year and Swindon were at a loss this year so sure if he had wanted to return he would have. He seems to enjoy riding for the bees which is why he returned again this year. Harris always guests well for teams, the same as rory. That doesn't mean he wants to join them lol. I do agree that 1 bad meeting doesn't make a bad rider and fans need to take the rough with the smooth. Holder wasn't a lot better but don't see the Poole fans slating him. Riders will have off nights. On to the next meeting. Like Steve states you know very little we didnt even discuss a deal with Hans for this year...it's not as if he is an asset so why assume we did?...stop making stuff up...btw you keep dragging the past up i.e the lack of payments is now irrelevant as the reason for that mess is no longer involved with the running of the club but then that's a bit rich considering the history of your promoter.....r.e Holder that was a cheap shot but hardly surprising with YOUR forum history...not needed Edited April 11, 2015 by hagonshocker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Why was Holder a cheap shot? Neither scored a lot. Wasn't a dig. If you read posts correctly you would see I mentioned how hard it must have been for Holder after last year. Maybe you need to stop being so touchy or just looking for a argument. Edited April 11, 2015 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Whilst Poole are one of the strongest teams in the league, if had 2 full teams (Watt/Robbo) we would have won this even with Hans having a off night. That's very encouraging. Of course, that is a lot of opinionated guff based on no fact whatsoever, but if that's what you need to feel good about your super team-spirited, team of racers (what happened, was the track too slick or rutted perhaps?), then whatever floats your boat. Hans has said on Twitter that both his bikes let him down last night. He's not the first rider for that to happen to and he lost out on point money. Sarjeant also had bike problems in first couple of heats which made difference as when on good equipment he can beat any reserve at Brandon as he proved in heat 12! Quite a few mitigating circumstances right there, for your home spanking. Funny there's no mention of Janowski only managing one ride, Gomolski injuring himself, or that Schlein wasn't guesting for Watt, but GRAJCZONEK. I can't think why you're twisting it, but oddly enough JG scored 12 from 6 at Brandon last time out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Of course, that is a lot of opinionated guff based on no fact whatsoever, but if that's what you need to feel good about your super team-spirited, team of racers (what happened, was the track too slick or rutted perhaps?), then whatever floats your boat. Quite a few mitigating circumstances right there, for your home spanking. Funny there's no mention of Janowski only managing one ride, Gomolski injuring himself, or that Schlein wasn't guesting for Watt, but GRAJCZONEK. I can't think why you're twisting it, but oddly enough JG scored 12 from 6 at Brandon last time out. Oddly enough Hans and Sarj usually score well but didn't last night so doesn't mean Josh would have. Magic was in losing positions when fell and the riders taking his R/R were stronger on the night than him so hardly weakened them. Bees out scored Poole even with exclusions after heat 5 however we were not good enough in first 4 heats which you have to be to win. No excuse not having the right set ups on own track. At the end of the day, Poole won and the bees lost. Think both teams along with Kings Lynn look very strong. Don't think either team need to worry about not making the top 4 so far. Edited April 11, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Hans was poor, we know it and he knows it. I'm not concerned at all about not making the top 4. A poor start overall cost us, after heat 5 we were decent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Oddly enough Hans and Sarj usually score well but didn't last night so doesn't mean Josh would have. Magic was in losing positions when fell and the riders taking his R/R were stronger on the night than him so hardly weakened them. Bees out scored Poole even with exclusions after heat 5 however we were not good enough in first 4 heats which you have to be to win. No excuse not having the right set ups on own track. At the end of the day, Poole won and the bees lost. Think both teams along with Kings Lynn look very strong. Don't think either team need to worry about not making the top 4 so far. i think you talk a lot of rubbish most of the time 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) i think you talk a lot of rubbish most of the time Point out which bits in statement are talking rubbish, fact from statement: Rory & North scoring better: FACT Poole much better in first 5 heats: FACT Bees out scored Poole in other heats: FACT Poole won: FACT I personally think The 3 teams named are strongest in league, Personal opinion Your welcome to your opinion, that's what the sites for 😄 Although sadly people seem to be looking for arguments where there aren't any. Edited April 11, 2015 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I admit to not liking Hans, but to be fair he rarely underperforms anywhere and will doubtless be in double figures again at Poole on Wednesday, when as I've said before, Coventry are just as likely to take points from us if any of Poole's riders aren't 100% on it or have bike problems - it can happen anywhere. Point out which bits in statement are talking rubbish, fact from statement:Rory & North scoring better: FACTPoole much better in first 5 heats: FACTBees out scored Poole in other heats: FACTPoole won: FACTI personally think The 3 teams named are strongest in league, Personal opinionYour welcome to your opinion, that's what the sites for Although sadly people seem to be looking for arguments where there aren't any. There could be a common denominator here?! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I admit to not liking Hans, but to be fair he rarely underperforms anywhere and will doubtless be in double figures again at Poole on Wednesday, when as I've said before, Coventry are just as likely to take points from us if any of Poole's riders aren't 100% on it or have bike problems - it can happen anywhere. Well said Skidder and nice to have somebody post who isn't being negative about everything. Unfortunately meetings are unpredictable and bike problems, ref decisions and injuries can change a night. Think Poole will be hard to beat this season esp at home as look strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I admit to not liking Hans, but to be fair he rarely underperforms anywhere and will doubtless be in double figures again at Poole on Wednesday, when as I've said before, Coventry are just as likely to take points from us if any of Poole's riders aren't 100% on it or have bike problems - it can happen anywhere. You should read some of the crap on facebook .Apparently, Hans' poor scoring was due to the fact were riding against Poole! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I admit to not liking Hans, but to be fair he rarely underperforms anywhere and will doubtless be in double figures again at Poole on Wednesday, when as I've said before, Coventry are just as likely to take points from us if any of Poole's riders aren't 100% on it or have bike problems - it can happen anywhere. There could be a common denominator here?! Agree. Unfortunately there are a handful of people who regularly don't come on here to talk speedway but just find fault constantly in everything other posters write. You should read some of the crap on facebook .Apparently, Hans' poor scoring was due to the fact were riding against Poole! Haha it just gets better and better doesn't it. Best bit is I bet a lot of them didn't even go last night and just gojng by the update site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROCK Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Interesting that an elite league heat leader can replace a premier league rider and then ride as a second string. Shows how ridiculous the sport has become. I know it's legal but it's just daft and handed Poole the win Gavan you omit to mention that Watt [a heat leader] due to injury was replaced by Grajczonek, who has a lower a average than Watt. This then made North [a second string] into a heat leader, giving him harder rides. If Schlein had replaced Watt would that have been Ok? But don't let that distract you from your moan about Poole. Edited April 11, 2015 by BROCK 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Point out which bits in statement are talking rubbish, fact from statement:Rory & North scoring better: FACT Poole much better in first 5 heats: FACT Bees out scored Poole in other heats: FACT Poole won: FACT I personally think The 3 teams named are strongest in league, Personal opinion Your welcome to your opinion, that's what the sites for Although sadly people seem to be looking for arguments where there aren't any.[/quote(Janowski in a losing position when he fell )he was in second place until Harris brought him down has they were awarded. 5-1 fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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