Nellie Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Oddly enough Hans and Sarj usually score well but didn't last night so doesn't mean Josh would have. Arrrrggghhh! Are you doing this on pupose? That was my point You were assuming as riders had done well/poorly before, they would again, and Cov would have won had Robson and Watt been available. Magic was in losing positions when fell and the riders taking his R/R were stronger on the night than him so hardly weakened them. Only, he wasn't. He was in second behind North when Harris caused him to crash, twisting his knee, and was excluded. He came out in his next heat, but was injured and pulled up. Who knows whether he'd have beaten Harris in heat 13 or come out instead of Schlein in heat 15 and scored? I don't and neither do you, so please stop stating your opinion as fact. Edited April 11, 2015 by Nellie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Haha one bad meeting and people are talking about changes Whilst Poole are one of the strongest teams in the league, if had 2 full teams (Watt/Robbo) we would have won this even with Hans having a off night. That's very encouraging. Hans has said on Twitter that both his bikes let him down last night. He's not the first rider for that to happen to and he lost out on point money. Sarjeant also had bike problems in first couple of heats which made difference as when on good equipment he can beat any reserve at Brandon as he proved in heat 12! Last night was the strongest line up we will most likely face all year esp once Watt is back. Think both Coventry and Poole should make top 4 with teams they have. Last night was one of those nights where what will go wrong, goes wrong. Was good to see Holder return after his accident. Must have been hard for him after last year. A bad workman always blames his tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Of course, that is a lot of opinionated guff based on no fact whatsoever, but if that's what you need to feel good about your super team-spirited, team of racers (what happened, was the track too slick or rutted perhaps?), then whatever floats your boat. Quite a few mitigating circumstances right there, for your home spanking. Funny there's no mention of Janowski only managing one ride, Gomolski injuring himself, or that Schlein wasn't guesting for Watt, but GRAJCZONEK. I can't think why you're twisting it, but oddly enough JG scored 12 from 6 at Brandon last time out. Think everyone knows who Schlein was guesting for. Nobody said it wasnt legal but it just becomes farcical. Poole had issues but none as bad as Coventry. Coventry had riders fall off in scoring positions Coventry had a number 1 who had awful machinery problems Coventry replaced a premier league heat leader with a premier league second string. Poole replaced a premier league heat leader with an elite league heat leader who could ride as an elite league second string. All that said Poole are strong and will be thereabouts at the end Holder has to be a worry looks a shadow of his former self. Can see Holder leaving when Darcy is fit as he may well need to concentrate on staying in the top 8 Gavan you omit to mention that Watt [a heat leader] due to injury was replaced by Grajczonek, who has a lower a average than Watt. This then made North [a second string] into a heat leader, giving him harder rides. If Schlein had replaced Watt would that have been Ok? But don't let that distract you from your moan about Poole. No i havent omited that. Fact is Poole with Watt as heat leader and North at 2 would be weaker than North at 3 and Schlien at 2. Dakota North is riding wel this season wherever he goes and certainly is as good if not better than Watt at Brandon. This means Poole were quite a bit stronger than if they had tracked their usual 1-7 What i suggest you do is read my posts better as in every single post i said what Poole did was perfctly legal. Not once have i said Poole cheated or did anything wrong. So before you jump over my posts and accuse of all the anti poole crap , i suggest you dont just selectively read what you want to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Point out which bits in statement are talking rubbish, fact from statement:Rory & North scoring better: FACT Poole much better in first 5 heats: FACT Bees out scored Poole in other heats: FACT Poole won: FACT I personally think The 3 teams named are strongest in league, Personal opinion Your welcome to your opinion, that's what the sites for Although sadly people seem to be looking for arguments where there aren't any.[/quote(Janowski in a losing position when he fell )he was in second place until Harris brought him down has they were awarded. 5-1 fact Meant his next race where he was behind both Bees riders and broke down. Arrrrggghhh! Are you doing this on pupose? That was my point You were assuming as riders had done well/poorly before, they would again, and Cov would have won had Robson and Watt been available. Only, he wasn't. He was in second behind North when Harris caused him to crash, twisting his knee, and was excluded. He came out in his next heat, but was injured and pulled up. Who knows whether he'd have beaten Harris in heat 13 or come out instead of Schlein in heat 15 and scored? I don't and neither do you, so please stop stating your opinion as fact. Just as you are assuming Josh would have done well. Think everyone knows who Schlein was guesting for. Nobody said it wasnt legal but it just becomes farcical. Poole had issues but none as bad as Coventry. Coventry had riders fall off in scoring positions Coventry had a number 1 who had awful machinery problems Coventry replaced a premier league heat leader with a premier league second string. Poole replaced a premier league heat leader with an elite league heat leader who could ride as an elite league second string. All that said Poole are strong and will be thereabouts at the end Holder has to be a worry looks a shadow of his former self. Can see Holder leaving when Darcy is fit as he may well need to concentrate on staying in the top 8 No i havent omited that. Fact is Poole with Watt as heat leader and North at 2 would be weaker than North at 3 and Schlien at 2. Dakota North is riding wel this season wherever he goes and certainly is as good if not better than Watt at Brandon. This means Poole were quite a bit stronger than if they had tracked their usual 1-7 What i suggest you do is read my posts better as in every single post i said what Poole did was perfctly legal. Not once have i said Poole cheated or did anything wrong. So before you jump over my posts and accuse of all the anti poole crap , i suggest you dont just selectively read what you want to see Finally somebody who sees it as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Like everything else this forum is all about opinions. Who is to say who is right or wrong. I was not there as I assume many other writing were not either. Magic may well of won all his remaining rides or he may have come last. I believe when a team gets in front by so many so early they tend to take their foot off the gas. They should not but this often happens in all sports. With regard to Chris who knows. This will depend on so much mainly Chris himself. The result was the result and that is all that will show at the end of the day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Think everyone knows who Schlein was guesting for. Nobody said it wasnt legal but it just becomes farcical. Well, not quite everyone, Gavster. Poole had issues but none as bad as Coventry. Not sure I agree with that. Cov certainly had some exclusions and Andersen's machinery issues, but North fell while ahead of HA in seven, and Holder fell whilst second in thirteen, in addition to the injuries. Holder has to be a worry looks a shadow of his former self. Can see Holder leaving when Darcy is fit as he may well need to concentrate on staying in the top 8 He's been doing ok so far, so I think he can be excused for a slightly under par meeting at the venue where he had such a bad crash. Unless he can keep his average (which will require a lot of managing), I just can't see how Ward could come back in as there's no benefit in re-declaring and losing the increase from Janowski, North and Gomolski. Edited April 11, 2015 by Nellie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 A bad workman always blames his tools I've heard your wife say that a few times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Just as you are assuming Josh would have done well. No, you started banging on about how Robson and Watt being there meant Coventry would have definitely won. I just pointed out that it wasn't Watt Schlein was in for, it was Grajczonek, and using your logic of replicating Robson and Watt's prior form at Brandon, JG would have done well. You can't claim Robson was good before and Watt poor, so that would have definitely happened again, but then say JG wouldn't necessarily score similarly to his last appearance there. That's hypocrisy. Edited April 11, 2015 by Nellie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrs Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 As a neutral for this fixture, some of the comments by the texter on the speedway updates site absolutely cracked me up! Highlights include: "Worth heading down to the A46 to see some passing because there won't be any here." "Could lose a bike down the massive rut on the inside of bend 1 but no one has hit it yet." "Great gate by 2 Bees. Joonas seemed intent on riding King into the burger van rather then riding together" "Danny 'cowboy' King might want to go and grab a trusted steed rather then the bike he is on tonight" "Harris then wound it on and produced a stunning and ultimately pointless ride to pass North on the line." Wherever you are Silverbee - sorry that Coventry didn't win as it's never fun to lose at home, but thanks for the humour (and to the speedway updates site)! It's great to have Silver Bee regularly texting again, his humour makes bad nights for the Bees more bearable Keep it going SB, and thanks BTW 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Well, not quite everyone, Gavster. Not sure I agree with that. Cov certainly had some exclusions and Andersen's machinery issues, but North fell while ahead of HA in seven, and Holder fell whilst second in thirteen, in addition to the injuries. He's been doing ok so far, so I think he can be excused for a slightly under par meeting at the venue where he had such a bad crash. Unless he can keep his average (which will require a lot of managing), I just can't see how Ward could come back in as there's no benefit in re-declaring and losing the increase from Janowski, North and Gomolski. Nothing would please me more to see the old Holder back, but i think he isnt there anymore. Granted he had a really bad crash at Coventry that nearly ended his career, but you still need to have the hunger to go back to the same track and perform. Once you become cautious on any track it will lead to bigger issues. I seem to remember Shawn Moran saying when he lost his nerve he even let the riders leave the tapes quicker so he didnt get to the bend with them. Im not saying Chris has lost his nerve but his form is patchy at best. Maybe Poole could lose Holder and Watt and get in Ward and someone else. I dont know how that would fit points wise. I cant stand North as a person but his form this season is very good and he is more than capable of holding down the third heat leader slot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 It's great to have Silver Bee regularly texting again, his humour makes bad nights for the Bees more bearable Keep it going SB, and thanks BTW I genuinely had a couple of chuckles to myself last night whilst reading the updates. Nothing would please me more to see the old Holder back, but i think he isnt there anymore. Granted he had a really bad crash at Coventry that nearly ended his career, but you still need to have the hunger to go back to the same track and perform. Once you become cautious on any track it will lead to bigger issues. I seem to remember Shawn Moran saying when he lost his nerve he even let the riders leave the tapes quicker so he didnt get to the bend with them. Im not saying Chris has lost his nerve but his form is patchy at best. Maybe Poole could lose Holder and Watt and get in Ward and someone else. I dont know how that would fit points wise. I cant stand North as a person but his form this season is very good and he is more than capable of holding down the third heat leader slot. Hopefully it will work out for him and he'll be back to how he was before, but I guess we'll have to see. He definitely seemed to come off the throttle a few times in the Best Pairs when pre-injury, I don't think he would. It'll be interesting to see how he goes tonight. I suspect if he gates he'll be fine. Two changes would mean re-declaring under 34 points, so would be difficult with Janowski, North and Gomolski all increasing their averages (largely due to the smaller qualifying period for the GSA). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Is there history between Garrity and Newman, because I seem to remember him cutting up Newman last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Is there history between Garrity and Newman, because I seem to remember him cutting up Newman last season. Only that Garrity thinks he is the best EL Reserve!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Only that Garrity thinks he is the best EL Reserve!! Well for me Garrity more often than not seems to be not totally in control, and on occasions dangerous. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 As a neutral for this fixture, some of the comments by the texter on the speedway updates site absolutely cracked me up! Highlights include: "Worth heading down to the A46 to see some passing because there won't be any here." "Could lose a bike down the massive rut on the inside of bend 1 but no one has hit it yet." "Great gate by 2 Bees. Joonas seemed intent on riding King into the burger van rather then riding together" "Danny 'cowboy' King might want to go and grab a trusted steed rather then the bike he is on tonight" "Harris then wound it on and produced a stunning and ultimately pointless ride to pass North on the line." Wherever you are Silverbee - sorry that Coventry didn't win as it's never fun to lose at home, but thanks for the humour (and to the speedway updates site)! It's great to have Silver Bee regularly texting again, his humour makes bad nights for the Bees more bearable Keep it going SB, and thanks BTW He is by far the most best texter. You know you are going to get unbiased, funny texts with a bit of banter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 He is by far the most best texter. You know you are going to get unbiased, funny texts with a bit of banter I love Silver Bee's updates, but "unbiased"???? All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Seems his updates have upset Hans though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Nothing would please me more to see the old Holder back, but i think he isnt there anymore. Granted he had a really bad crash at Coventry that nearly ended his career, but you still need to have the hunger to go back to the same track and perform. Once you become cautious on any track it will lead to bigger issues. I seem to remember Shawn Moran saying when he lost his nerve he even let the riders leave the tapes quicker so he didnt get to the bend with them. Im not saying Chris has lost his nerve but his form is patchy at best. Maybe Poole could lose Holder and Watt and get in Ward and someone else. I dont know how that would fit points wise. I cant stand North as a person but his form this season is very good and he is more than capable of holding down the third heat leader slot. I don't think he will hold the third heat leader role,not at the level and average i expect if he does there will be a change in the Poole line up.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Nothing would please me more to see the old Holder back, but i think he isnt there anymore. Granted he had a really bad crash at Coventry that nearly ended his career, but you still need to have the hunger to go back to the same track and perform. Once you become cautious on any track it will lead to bigger issues. I seem to remember Shawn Moran saying when he lost his nerve he even let the riders leave the tapes quicker so he didnt get to the bend with them. Im not saying Chris has lost his nerve but his form is patchy at best. Maybe Poole could lose Holder and Watt and get in Ward and someone else. I dont know how that would fit points wise. I cant stand North as a person but his form this season is very good and he is more than capable of holding down the third heat leader slot. I didn't like North either but i am warming to him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I am looking towards the posts on the Poole vs Coventry thread about Hans score tonight. Doubt there will be too many complaints about the No 1. 9 paid 11 after 4 rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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