Islander15 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Very good signing. He's clearly genuinely talented and looks very smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 "One of the sport's most talented youngsters" No pressure then.. TBF, what do you want them to say? "We have signed a rider, he's a bit less crap than the one he's replacing so it's all good" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 He was racing a 150 last year and this is his first season on a 500 saw him at the youth meeting at Eastbourne no disrespect but he definitely isn't "one of the sports most talented youngsters" personally I would have stuck with farnaby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 He was racing a 150 last year and this is his first season on a 500 saw him at the youth meeting at Eastbourne no disrespect but he definitely isn't "one of the sports most talented youngsters" personally I would have stuck with farnaby Thought exactly the same. We were already struggling a bit with Farnaby but feel this may be a step backwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I couldn't have put it better myself! I wouldn't worry about the next generation of bees , theres always been a ready pool of riders from Denmark ,Sweden .Poland ,Australia , that have kept the bees flying high .. concentrate on winning in the National league give the supporters what they pay for . if anyone to watch raw kids falling off ,they can always go to a training school and watch for free .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I don't see how a 15 year old who has only been racing 500s a few months yet is already consistently winning MDL races, NL challenge races and has made consecutive British Youth champs finals and can become a club asset is not a better option that someone 5 years his senior, has barely scored this season or last season and is owned by another club. Using him and Walker seems a much better option to me. At the end of the day its about development and not just who will score the most in the next meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 i think farnabys experience will show a lot more vital now a raw 15 year old has joined the league. im just saying imo there are better potential 3 pointers out there i'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 i think farnabys experience will show a lot more vital now a raw 15 year old has joined the league. im just saying imo there are better potential 3 pointers out there i'm sure. Isn't Wood at Eastbourne a raw 15 year old who until about 3 months ago had never sat on a speedway bike? If you're good enough then you're old enough and experienced enough. If experience was all that mattered then Greg Hancock would be current World Champ Tony Atkin would be top of the NL averages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Isn't Wood at Eastbourne a raw 15 year old who until about 3 months ago had never sat on a speedway bike? If you're good enough then you're old enough and experienced enough. If experience was all that mattered then Greg Hancock would be current World Champ Tony Atkin would be top of the NL averages! do you go to storm Meetings ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 do you go to storm Meetings ? No. Well, I went to Cradley last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) I go to watch Coventry Storm and yes whilst I do agree that it is partly about helping riders develop and not always winning, a lot of people won't pay out money to go and watch a losing team so would affect crowds. Edited May 19, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I go to watch Coventry Storm and yes whilst I do agree that it is partly about helping riders develop and not always winning, a lot of people won't pay out money to go and watch a losing team so would affect crowds. to me the national league is just that ,a league , there are places for training and its not in front of a paying audience , all this development bollox really grinds my gears . I don't go to speedway to watch people learn to ride . I go to watch accomplished riders RACE each other . we have Midland league for training . but most Midland league teams are struggling for riders because lads who should be learning their way in it wont ride, because they think they are too good for it . let me tell you lads you ain't and you can only live off gifted points from races with only 2 or 3 finishers because riders have fallen off for so long .. then you get sent to Mildenhall and replaced by another unqualified rider . meanwhile Joe public is down the pub spending his money elsewhere , while the NL promotions come on here and social media begging for support, for amateur racing . no thanks if you want my support then drop all the development bollox , and assemble a team worth my admission fee to watch 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I agree with that. Its what ultimately killed CL/NL racing for me. Tim Stone charging to watch a team that had 4 riders who between then averaged 6 while the 3 heat leaders only managed just over 6 each. The bottom 4 averaging 1.5 each were only beating each other and a few riders who fell or stopped. When you consider in heats 2, 8 and 14 they were guaranteed 3 points a meeting, to average 6 a meeting was hardly impressive. As it was, 2 of that 4 did actually go on to ride PL for Newport but they only averaged 1.5 and 2 in the PL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I agree with Speedibee. I noticed the crowd was terrible on Friday but then I have friends who didn't go as Greenwood was missing and so that thought it was likely a loss. Cradley, Eastbourne & Birmingham don't seem to see it as just a development league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I agree with Speedibee. I noticed the crowd was terrible on Friday but then I have friends who didn't go as Greenwood was missing and so that thought it was likely a loss. Cradley, Eastbourne & Birmingham don't seem to see it as just a development league. Some of the teams are run by people who are desperate to be the one who discovered the next big thing . and think riders can be treated like commodities and supporters are merely there to finance their ambition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I agree with Speedibee. I noticed the crowd was terrible on Friday but then I have friends who didn't go as Greenwood was missing and so that thought it was likely a loss. Cradley, Eastbourne & Birmingham don't seem to see it as just a development league. Although Eastbourne is being run professionally and we want to win the atmosphere is so different to EL and we are developing the riders we have. Just happens that we are doing well at the same time. For example not many people new BWD before Eastbourne brought him over and now he's on everyones shopping list for next season. Cradley have also found Perks if my memory serves me right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Although Eastbourne is being run professionally and we want to win the atmosphere is so different to EL and we are developing the riders we have. Just happens that we are doing well at the same time. For example not many people new BWD before Eastbourne brought him over and now he's on everyones shopping list for next season. Cradley have also found Perks if my memory serves me right. That's what I mean. They are taking it as a compitition rather than just a training experience. That said I am looking forward to watching Coventry Storm next Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Probably hard to adjust to the lower tier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 to me the national league is just that ,a league , there are places for training and its not in front of a paying audience , all this development bollox really grinds my gears . I don't go to speedway to watch people learn to ride . I go to watch accomplished riders RACE each other . we have Midland league for training . but most Midland league teams are struggling for riders because lads who should be learning their way in it wont ride, because they think they are too good for it . let me tell you lads you ain't and you can only live off gifted points from races with only 2 or 3 finishers because riders have fallen off for so long .. then you get sent to Mildenhall and replaced by another unqualified rider . meanwhile Joe public is down the pub spending his money elsewhere , while the NL promotions come on here and social media begging for support, for amateur racing . no thanks if you want my support then drop all the development bollox , and assemble a team worth my admission fee to watch It certainly is a league that fans and riders (therefore promoters) should want to win. Most fans, as you say, want to watch a winning team. But this discussion started about Farnaby being replaced by Halder, and seeing as he only scored 1 or 2 anyway that hasn't made it a losing team from a winning one, regardless of what Halder does. Are you saying the Storm team generally has been built too weak? Or the league is too weak? Although Eastbourne is being run professionally and we want to win the atmosphere is so different to EL and we are developing the riders we have. Just happens that we are doing well at the same time. For example not many people new BWD before Eastbourne brought him over and now he's on everyones shopping list for next season. Cradley have also found Perks if my memory serves me right. Perks rode a few meetings for Scunthorpe last season. Cradley didn't find him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Are you saying the Storm team generally has been built too weak? I'm sure speedibee will answer this himself in his own style, but the Storm team this season is obviously weaker because the points limit dropped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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